Tom Papley

Number one is what does this mean to me?

So, I mean, your perspectives, your relationships in the organization and your past experiences are going to shape your response, which way you go, whether you're motivated by this or demotivated by this.

And so, you know, the positive effects are, you know, it's going to give a lot of people hope and it's going to give people something to look forward to.

Already, you can feel the supporters are thinking, this is new and fresh and they're excited again.

It doesn't even matter what it is, just change in itself excites people.

The environment's going to open up to new perspective and ideas.

So suddenly people that may not have been heard may be listened to.

So Josh Fraser, who's an assistant coach in this instance, would be heard, but now he's got autonomy.

Well, he'll still work with his assistants, but he can put in place stuff that he's passionate about.

Absolutely.

And a whole lot of other people in the organisation then will go to Josh and say, how about this?

How about that?

He'll be listening to new ideas coming at him from everywhere.

You can get real momentum and real energy when you get change.

If it's managed well, especially off the back of early wins.

And I don't mean, I mean, early wins is obviously, you know, winning games of football, but early wins and the way they go about it is really, really important with change.

You don't get those early wins and then demotivation, you know, will really, really kick in.

It's an interesting one here because wins aren't necessarily the right thing for Carlton.

The four point wins I'm talking about.

No, that's right.