Tom Renz

Yes, for decades, the pharmaceutical agents would come in and give gifts and trips and whatnot to doctors. For the last almost 20 years, certainly 15 years, we don't even let pharmaceutical reps into our office, certainly not in California. And they are not allowed to give us so much as a pen. For fear that it would distort our judgment or just doesn't look good. A pen. Forget anything else.

Yes, for decades, the pharmaceutical agents would come in and give gifts and trips and whatnot to doctors. For the last almost 20 years, certainly 15 years, we don't even let pharmaceutical reps into our office, certainly not in California. And they are not allowed to give us so much as a pen. For fear that it would distort our judgment or just doesn't look good. A pen. Forget anything else.

Yes, I understand that pharmaceutical companies still pay doctors to give speeches. But those doctors are talking about what they believe to be true. It just happens to be coincident with the pharmaceutical companies want to say to other doctors. But they get paid to go out and push that. But everyone else, we have nothing, and I mean nothing, to do with pharmaceutical companies.

Yes, I understand that pharmaceutical companies still pay doctors to give speeches. But those doctors are talking about what they believe to be true. It just happens to be coincident with the pharmaceutical companies want to say to other doctors. But they get paid to go out and push that. But everyone else, we have nothing, and I mean nothing, to do with pharmaceutical companies.

Why can't we have a same standard for our public officials? It's disgusting. Even the appearance of impropriety should be washed out.

Why can't we have a same standard for our public officials? It's disgusting. Even the appearance of impropriety should be washed out.

So what do we do? That's why I'm feeling kind of overwhelmed when we talk about these things. I mean, you talked about the FOIA documents we're not getting. You talked about all these, I mean, so many complicated issues. Much like you, I'm a simple man, Tom. I'm using the Tom Renz approach here. I'm a simple old physician from Southern California. And it seems to me that keeping...

So what do we do? That's why I'm feeling kind of overwhelmed when we talk about these things. I mean, you talked about the FOIA documents we're not getting. You talked about all these, I mean, so many complicated issues. Much like you, I'm a simple man, Tom. I'm using the Tom Renz approach here. I'm a simple old physician from Southern California. And it seems to me that keeping...

Keeping it simple is the way to go. Because I'm looking for pressure points. If I get to go talk to these folks, I want to know what the hell. I want to know exactly why we're not disentangling these things. Why aren't we doing this? Why is that happening? And what do we need to do to correct it? And is it just eye off the ball? There are other priorities right now. I can accept that.

Keeping it simple is the way to go. Because I'm looking for pressure points. If I get to go talk to these folks, I want to know what the hell. I want to know exactly why we're not disentangling these things. Why aren't we doing this? Why is that happening? And what do we need to do to correct it? And is it just eye off the ball? There are other priorities right now. I can accept that.

These guys are moving fast, a lot going on. I get it. But what is it gonna take? What's it gonna take? And what is your plan? And one of the ones I've been looking forward to, he said he's gonna do a RICO action against the major journals for allowing pharma to influence them. And God knows we saw that during COVID. It was just ridiculous. So what's going on? Is Donald Trump getting in the way?

These guys are moving fast, a lot going on. I get it. But what is it gonna take? What's it gonna take? And what is your plan? And one of the ones I've been looking forward to, he said he's gonna do a RICO action against the major journals for allowing pharma to influence them. And God knows we saw that during COVID. It was just ridiculous. So what's going on? Is Donald Trump getting in the way?

Are these lobbyists getting in the way? I'm hearing as part of the soda gates sort of scandal is that these lobbyists are looking for any way into the Maha consciousness. I interrupted you. Give me your thought.

Are these lobbyists getting in the way? I'm hearing as part of the soda gates sort of scandal is that these lobbyists are looking for any way into the Maha consciousness. I interrupted you. Give me your thought.

Let me stop you with that. That's one of the reasons I was kind of stepping off of that plan of reviewing the Medicare, Medi-Cal data. It's gonna get into the weeds in ways that are gonna be surprising to you in that A, how the diagnostic sheets are completed, particularly if people die, is extremely, it's not inaccurate.

Let me stop you with that. That's one of the reasons I was kind of stepping off of that plan of reviewing the Medicare, Medi-Cal data. It's gonna get into the weeds in ways that are gonna be surprising to you in that A, how the diagnostic sheets are completed, particularly if people die, is extremely, it's not inaccurate.

It doesn't necessarily reflect what was happening at the hospital with the patient. You literally have to go review the medical record. And now we're talking about millions of records and that's not gonna happen, number one.

It doesn't necessarily reflect what was happening at the hospital with the patient. You literally have to go review the medical record. And now we're talking about millions of records and that's not gonna happen, number one.

Number two, then we're going to get into a whole freaking ridiculous argument about Fauci at all saying, no, no, no, I never said people weren't going to be hospitalized or get sick with COVID. I said they were going to have less complications and they're going to be less ill. And so if you hadn't had the vaccines, you see the ICUs would have been overwhelmed.

Number two, then we're going to get into a whole freaking ridiculous argument about Fauci at all saying, no, no, no, I never said people weren't going to be hospitalized or get sick with COVID. I said they were going to have less complications and they're going to be less ill. And so if you hadn't had the vaccines, you see the ICUs would have been overwhelmed.