Tom Southerden

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Pod Save the UK · Can she fix it? Hannah the plumber and politician on tackling Reform · 19 Feb 2026 podcast

The government can see it and a group of lawyers called special advocates who are sort of security cleared can see it.

The rest of us don't know what that was.

We'll never know what that was.

And it doesn't appear in the judgment.

It's referred to that there was a closed hearing, but we don't know what that said.

The court are clear that nothing in that close hearing affected the conclusion they came to.

So whatever they were told didn't change their mind one way or another.

The government's case was entirely to do with serious damage to property.

So just to go back to your first question, there were two reasons why the court found against the government.

This first one is this point about going beyond the terms of the prescription.

The second one is very important, which is that the court ruled that it was in breach of human rights, in breach of Article 10, Article 11 of the European Convention on Human Rights, which is freedom of expression and freedom of peaceful assembly and association.

The court found that because it breached their own policy, it was not in accordance with the law.

So if you're interfering, if you're the government and you're interfering with human rights...

There are circumstances in which you're allowed to do that, but you have to do it, first of all, lawfully.

And in this instance, they were going beyond their own policy.

So the court found that that was straightforwardly not in accordance with the law.

And another factor is, are you doing it in a proportionate way?

So is there a less draconian thing you could do that would achieve the legitimate aim you're trying to achieve?

So national security in this instance.

Yeah.

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