Tom Verrilli
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Not that I would touch production code in that kind of way, because that's a disastrous idea.
But to qualified humans, it's a wonderful one.
Yeah, I have a lot of empathy for that because I've certainly seen it.
Another plug for why having fewer, more senior PMs is helpful because there is a folks who've seen more of those reps and understand.
But I also think a lot of the time that lack of clarity comes from the other thing, which is organizations who have historically under-invested in data engineering.
and data structures and good data labeling and whether or not you've got your kind of, not just your taxonomies right, but whether or not you really understand, whether or not your data systems and structures are set up well.
And so what we found is a lot of our best data scientists are pushing in that direction of like,
Are we actually correctly updating all the ways in which our tracking and attribution works so that it's less easy for people to kind of like misunderstand those?
And then, yeah, using an AI tool to find a piece of data, much like using an AI tool to write code, doesn't absolve you of responsibility to make sure that that was good analysis, good code.
It just tends to be leveraged for those people who are naturally inclined that way.
Well, funnily enough, as I say, I haven't spoken to a data scientist in a while.
We've certainly still hired plenty because I do think all that tracking and attribution and measurement really, really powerful.
I also think one of the flip sides of we say we need fewer, it's like fewer of for the same output.
doesn't necessarily mean fewer of in macro because if you are using these systems right, you can just grow more quickly.
You can build more things.
You can take on more stuff.
So, you know, I would be surprised actually if we ended up with like net fewer, I think it's more like net fewer vis-a-vis customer impact for both.
Certainly I think kind of like trending up over time within these roles are
these kind of like, and I don't remember the exact label that people used to use, but this idea of like tech leads that are kind of like a hybrid EM where you're running a very small team kind of running at things because same way that we'd say, you know, the cost of trying something has come down.
The idea that says,
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