Tom Verrilli

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Lenny's Podcast: Product | Career | Growth · This CPO regrets that product management exists | Tom Verrilli (CPO of Whatnot) · 2 Aug 2026 podcast

And can I translate the three together for optimal efficiency?

is the point of leverage when doing things gets cheaper, trying things is cheaper, et cetera.

So absolutely agree that product skills are probably the most durable.

My build would just be, there's a lot of people who have the title PM who haven't spent a lot of time building those skills in the last five years.

but have gotten really good at communicating frameworks to leadership.

And so I just kind of push us back as a function into that core work.

And listen, I'm guilty of this.

We rewarded it for so long that it doesn't surprise me that that product theater is a core skill set for a lot of folks.

Yeah.

The number of people who do really well in a product interview, Lenny, and then you give them a case study.

So everyone who gets hired at whatnot in any role has to do an actual hands-on case study.

But the number of people who

present incredibly well and then you give them a prompt and some data and ask them to come back with a pov on something and then we make them verbally defend it how quickly the thinking decays from folks who are good at the theater but not the specifics uh is kind of really telling i think

Nuance required in my life, hire people and get out of the way is wrong, I will say.

But a couple of pieces to build off of it.

I think in general, the hire great people and get out of their way became this kind of like macro saying for...

let them work out what the roadmap is, let them work out what the problems are, just completely devolve what's going on.

And I think the real answer is, obviously, the better people you hire, the more you can totally trust that they know what they're doing.

But we tend to live in a verify then trust land, as opposed to a totally trust or even trust but verify, which is like,

I'm probably in a better position than any of my directs to understand how all of the different pieces of our system, buyer, seller, trust, fit together.

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