Tom York

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I felt like it was just really weird in the end it was I found it really stressful however I couldn't I couldn't look at my little boy and not think okay I'm going to try and do something and then sometime later I got involved with friends of the earth in the campaign to bring about a climate change act and it was kind of cool actually I'm very proud but it was very stressful I

You went on after that experience to work with Greenpeace for many years.

I mean, from your side, what are the responsibilities that come with campaigning, do you think?

I think the thing I've always struggled somewhat with is that, you know, if I'm campaigning on climate change, I'm someone who has to fly for my work.

So, boom, I'm a hypocrite.

Yes, I totally agree I'm a hypocrite, but I'm trying to do something about it.

But yes, you're right, I'm a hypocrite.

What do you want to do about it?

But fighting that battle all the time, I think at some point it can become like detrimental to the people who are doing all this hard work.

So I'm really painfully aware that it can be a good thing if I support and it can be a distraction as well at the same time.

But, you know, the truth of the matter is we're all part of a system, systemic thing that has to change.

You know, there are a million things that need to change on a structural level.

And us arguing amongst ourselves about, oh, what could I do to make a difference?

It's like, you can do stuff, but...

But the real stuff has to happen in Parliament, it has to happen at the UN and it has to happen now.

I mean, we're out of time.

So all our governments have to turn around and say, we cannot live like this anymore.

We have to change and you have to accept that.

None of them want to do this.