Tommy Bowe

We're talking about leadership, right?

Just on you saying about we're never captains.

And you're right.

Everyone always talks about like Paul O'Connell and Brian O'Driscoll and Rory Best and Johnny Sexton and all.

I'm like, yes, they are wonderful leaders, but they were born to be like that.

It's not fair.

Like we were on the pitch too, you know.

We played our part.

Surely we should get some kudos.

Paul O'Connell couldn't have been the player he was without you beside him.

You must have done something to help him.

Where's the book on Donnach O'Callaghan?

Took no shortcuts.

Absolutely.

This is it.

And there's no books on them.

When Joe Schmidt came along, he was a true, he was, because he knew he couldn't run else.

Man, Trimby was, well, listen, Joe taught him how to follow rules.

well I don't agree well kind of anyway listen whatever with that I do but I want to go back to what you're saying is actually it's the foot soldiers and there's no books ever written about there's nothing ever like a book written about how to be the perfect foot soldier it's all about how to be the Paul O'Connell and like

People can't really become a poly.