Tommy Bowe

And for the likes of Leinster, obviously, they're able to bring in Ioanni, they have Snyman, who's out injured at the moment.

But the other provinces...

obviously there are budgetary constraints as well but you think of the impact players and particularly international players have had in the past is it very important for the provinces to maximise their potential but at the same time be self-sufficient or in terms of is Irish rugby in the position that they can really right let's throw the book at this and let's really go after these other countries and teams So Tommy it's

Not worrying about you getting teased.

To be fair, we were almost trying to stick up for Humph on this side of things in terms of, listen, I'm Ulster, Doneca's Munster.

There's a lot of talk, or there was a bit of talk about Munster, frustrated that James has left and how players, Ioannis, have to go home.

And there's maybe...

a feeling out there that Leinster are having to sacrifice a bit in terms of trying to help out the other provinces, where we are saying that the other three provinces have been on a cost-cutting mission, realistic, for the last couple of years to try and get our house in order.

Listen, you must have heard this many times as well.

Like, what's your take in trying to actually, you know, keep Leinster at the position where they are continually getting to European Cup finals, but at the same time, you need Ulster, who got to challenge Cup final, but Ulster, Connacht, Munster, all trying to push into the knockout stage of those competitions as well.

So how do we grow the game?

Oh, sorry, go on.

Go on, go on.

You go first.

How do we grow the game?

Because in terms of participation numbers of rugby, like there's narratives out there about the game of rugby and parents being concerned.

Like our Irish rugby, how are we growing it and showing people maybe outside the school system that rugby is a really viable option, a really attractive option for them?

Explain that, that you've tried and it didn't work.

Going back to the provinces just quickly in terms of when David Nusifora came in, his big thing is he couldn't understand why players didn't move between provinces.

We saw Joey Carberry was one of the big landmark moves.