Tony Fadell

The team that I was running, we were really clear that we had to have Windows connectivity out of the gate.

Or not out of the gate, but just after the first iPod ship.

And Steve said, over my dead body, no way.

This is going to help us sell more Macs.

So and then and then, you know, we're like, OK, we're making the second one.

Oh, we're going to keep it with Mac only.

We just got to fix a few of these things.

And then all of a sudden it'll take off.

And it was like it didn't take off.

So then it was a long story about how that about how we finally got Windows connectivity.

But there was always this skunk works thing project behind the scenes doing that.

I did the same thing with stylus.

Steve never wanted a stylus on the iPhone or the iPad.

He never wanted, he never wanted it.

He's like, the finger is good enough when we can't do it with the finger.

It's like, and I'm like, we're going to have the B2B context and we're going to have form spilling and people are going to write.

And, and he's like, I don't care.

Just do,

that means we're going to get to like windows pen.

Cause he thought it was going to be like windows pen, which was, you had to use the pen for everything as opposed to using your finger.