Tony Fadell

So it was like, I want it instead of pen dominant, I want a finger dominant, but that's what he was saying.

But then when we added the stylist, which was another skunk works project, all of a sudden it came out and was like, well, we had to have stylists.

Right.

And now it's a big feature of the product.

Not everyone uses it, but it is a big feature for growth.

certain professionals who really want that in artists and hobbyists and stuff.

And so sometimes you have to have those skunkworks things that even if the opinion-based leader doesn't like it, you're like, that seems like the right thing.

Maybe not right now, but it's going, you can see it on the horizon.

So you just keep working on those things.

So but we had to like I said, the the iPhone wasn't a hit right away.

It was kind of like, oh, yeah, I worked on AT&T and it was two and a half G and it was this man.

And, you know, it did it only worked in the US.

So we had to get multiple versions till we got out.

And that's in my book.

I have the and it's called.

I think it's three generations.

Everything needs three generations.

Yes, Bill, there it is.

Three generations.

I've learned you make the product, you fix the product, then you fix the business.