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Tony Fadell

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1037 total appearances

Appearances Over Time

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Lenny's Podcast: Product | Career | Growth
Father of the iPod and iPhone on building taste, judgment, and creativity in the AI era | Tony Fadell

This is the main loop of anthropics clod.

Lenny's Podcast: Product | Career | Growth
Father of the iPod and iPhone on building taste, judgment, and creativity in the AI era | Tony Fadell

The main loop, not just something off in the, this is the main loop.

Lenny's Podcast: Product | Career | Growth
Father of the iPod and iPhone on building taste, judgment, and creativity in the AI era | Tony Fadell

And people are like, how can you do this?

Lenny's Podcast: Product | Career | Growth
Father of the iPod and iPhone on building taste, judgment, and creativity in the AI era | Tony Fadell

This looks brittle.

Lenny's Podcast: Product | Career | Growth
Father of the iPod and iPhone on building taste, judgment, and creativity in the AI era | Tony Fadell

There's like, it's unreadable.

Lenny's Podcast: Product | Career | Growth
Father of the iPod and iPhone on building taste, judgment, and creativity in the AI era | Tony Fadell

And they're like, well, the AI knows it.

Lenny's Podcast: Product | Career | Growth
Father of the iPod and iPhone on building taste, judgment, and creativity in the AI era | Tony Fadell

But when you think about it and you have to maintain it, you can have an agent

Lenny's Podcast: Product | Career | Growth
Father of the iPod and iPhone on building taste, judgment, and creativity in the AI era | Tony Fadell

make code for you and it could work and it could test, but is it secure?

Lenny's Podcast: Product | Career | Growth
Father of the iPod and iPhone on building taste, judgment, and creativity in the AI era | Tony Fadell

Is it maintainable?

Lenny's Podcast: Product | Career | Growth
Father of the iPod and iPhone on building taste, judgment, and creativity in the AI era | Tony Fadell

If there's something going wrong, can you roll things back and understand what's going on?

Lenny's Podcast: Product | Career | Growth
Father of the iPod and iPhone on building taste, judgment, and creativity in the AI era | Tony Fadell

Like there's so many other aspects to writing code and delivering a product thing that you still need humans in the loop.

Lenny's Podcast: Product | Career | Growth
Father of the iPod and iPhone on building taste, judgment, and creativity in the AI era | Tony Fadell

And so when I think of product design,

Lenny's Podcast: Product | Career | Growth
Father of the iPod and iPhone on building taste, judgment, and creativity in the AI era | Tony Fadell

I think of software code with AI.

Lenny's Podcast: Product | Career | Growth
Father of the iPod and iPhone on building taste, judgment, and creativity in the AI era | Tony Fadell

And when you look at AI and if it's not architecting things and it's not segmenting things and looking at each of those things, like I was saying, you know, like there's software architects and then there's software optimizers and then there's just general coders and then there's security reviews.

Lenny's Podcast: Product | Career | Growth
Father of the iPod and iPhone on building taste, judgment, and creativity in the AI era | Tony Fadell

And if you don't have those different mixture of experts around the code structuring it so that subsequent generations can get better and better and it just kind of,

Lenny's Podcast: Product | Career | Growth
Father of the iPod and iPhone on building taste, judgment, and creativity in the AI era | Tony Fadell

devolves into this mass of things you don't know you're getting short-term gain for very very long-term laws and that's you know that's called software debt right technical debt everybody hates technical debt so it might be fixing something but it might it most likely is giving more technical debt especially when you're at the high level so now how does that map to product management

Lenny's Podcast: Product | Career | Growth
Father of the iPod and iPhone on building taste, judgment, and creativity in the AI era | Tony Fadell

So if you're a product manager and you type this in and you get some results, but you don't have a really good marketer, a really good marketing communications person, a really good salesperson, a really good channel salesperson, a really good architect, a really good manufacturing manager, all these different things in this thing that you're getting,

Lenny's Podcast: Product | Career | Growth
Father of the iPod and iPhone on building taste, judgment, and creativity in the AI era | Tony Fadell

You're not gonna be able, you might be able to make the first one, but when you go to version five, six, how does that work?

Lenny's Podcast: Product | Career | Growth
Father of the iPod and iPhone on building taste, judgment, and creativity in the AI era | Tony Fadell

You're building on a really crusty foundation and people are like, well, my AI is gonna be smarter.

Lenny's Podcast: Product | Career | Growth
Father of the iPod and iPhone on building taste, judgment, and creativity in the AI era | Tony Fadell

It's not proven to do that.