Tony Johnson

And just looking forward, we're going to talk about this more as we head towards the All Black season.

But again, it's great to have this narrative, something more to talk about than just scores, because it's really kind of busted this conversation open.

You mentioned those guys before from South Africa, probably Chuck and Ben Earl as well.

Yeah, absolutely.

Absolutely, yep.

And we've got Olly Mathis coming through as well who can do the same things.

I'd really be interested to see if he can sort of follow in these same footsteps.

But what I'd love to see is sort of Leicester going in and out, you know, starting one game at 12 or 13 and then going back to seven and just really keeping other teams guessing.

if not a test, a midweek game because they've got a few of those coming up.

Coming up on the tour, yeah.

And, you know, throw Timothy Tavitao and Aoi's name into their mix as well.

You can have both of them in the same time.

You talk about one split, now we've got two.

Well, we've got a little while to chat about it.

What I am loving about this conversation, though, is that first time in a while we're talking about New Zealand rugby thinking outside the box.

Yeah.

And, you know, the narrative that we need to be talking about about who's innovating stuff, it's coming from us.

Yeah.

I'm going to read you something that was written on Saturday morning after the Chiefs 31-21 win over the Reds.

It was highlighted by Marcus Playley's performance in Brisbane on Friday night when fuming Reds fans booed him off Suncorp Stadium after a series of questionable decisions and a horror penalty count against their team.