Tony Robbins

I said, no, but I'd be open to doing a study.

Yes, and so he took, but they put people in, they did their own study.

Because I said, if we're gonna do this, tell me what the standards, what do the meta studies show?

Like, how many people get well through traditional approaches of drugs and therapy?

You know, I don't know if you're aware of it, it's crazy.

60% of the people who use drugs or therapy to try and get out of depression make zero improvement, 60%.

40% improve, he shared with me, but the average improvement is 50%.

Most are on drugs the rest of their life.

And he goes, I said, you should be able to do that with a placebo.

And he laughed and said,

Pardon me?

It's true, in fact.

And he said, yeah, sort of.

And I said, well, I know it sounds like hubris or arrogance, but it's not.

I've just done this so long.

I said, we will destroy that.

I said, what's the best study you've ever done?

They said it was John Hopkins.

Now it's, I think it's been about eight years ago.

And they gave people psilocybin, magic mushrooms, and cognitive therapy for a month.