Tony Walker

So there's a reversal, isn't there?

Matthew becomes, tell me what he becomes.

extrapolated upon if possible too so yeah no i agree with you completely what you said i mean once we understand something we can box it away and it doesn't have that dread so there's a lot of what you said in fact i think i agree completely with everything you said you know that definitely lovecraftian thing going on as well the the cosmic horror you know we are some kind of little insects and sometimes pray for things that really don't care about us

The question I have to you, I mean, to what extent did you know what they were and withheld it?

Or to what extent were you yourself not committing to what these creatures were?

And the other creature is the golem figure.

the big monster, the sort of Frank, I don't know if he is Frankenstein's monster.

What's he about?

What's he about?

And then there's the other thing, you know, the mirror episode whereby Matthew then becomes mute.

Oh, yeah, yeah.

and the doctors can't explain it.

And then he starts writing.

What's, what's again, what, what do you feel that's pointing out?

I'm fairly convinced that whatever we produce is what we produce because of what we are, you know, why we're drawn to do certain things and what we actually do.

And so in creative work, you probably know, if you've listened, I'm a big follower of Carl Jung, you know, although I,

Professionally, I never probably ever used Jung at all.

I could see Bowlby's work on attachment a lot.

I could see various Freudian stuff going on with people.

Whereas I think Jung, when you come into looking at artistic stuff, definitely there are certain things that we're drawn to do and they want us, they want something of us.