Tony Walker

And the other creature is the golem figure.

the big monster, the sort of Frank, I don't know if he is Frankenstein's monster.

What's he about?

What's he about?

And then there's the other thing, you know, the mirror episode whereby Matthew then becomes mute.

Oh, yeah, yeah.

and the doctors can't explain it.

And then he starts writing.

What's, what's again, what, what do you feel that's pointing out?

I'm fairly convinced that whatever we produce is what we produce because of what we are, you know, why we're drawn to do certain things and what we actually do.

And so in creative work, you probably know, if you've listened, I'm a big follower of Carl Jung, you know, although I,

Professionally, I never probably ever used Jung at all.

I could see Bowlby's work on attachment a lot.

I could see various Freudian stuff going on with people.

Whereas I think Jung, when you come into looking at artistic stuff, definitely there are certain things that we're drawn to do and they want us, they want something of us.

So we're working for them in some way, even if we don't understand.

Yeah, I don't mean that in a malign sort of way.

I mean that they... Yeah, it's hard to say that without sounding like we're being controlled by strings being pulled from up above, as it were.

And I'm sort of saying that, but I'm saying we're people as well.

We have our lives to live and the choices we make as well.