Tracy Alloway

I am.

I've eaten a lot of ham and cheese.

That's pretty much all I can say.

Yeah.

I mean, also, when I think about a lot of Oplot's topics like AI or housing affordability or inequality, like cities, I think CityLab actually used this phrase at one point, but cities are really at the front line of all of those challenges.

Right.

And trying to implement policy in that local level in a way that's like very easy to see and observe and also to judge.

Yeah, it's funny.

You kind of get that local idea swapping at a mayoral level that I cannot imagine necessarily happening in national politics.

Like, can you imagine Trump and Xi Jinping getting together and be like, oh, we implemented this really cool like national transportation program.

Have you tried?

Long requested.

Well, we waited until we could do it at Madrid.

Yeah.

I definitely want to get you to go off on consultants.

But before we do, when you meet with someone like the prime minister of Spain, what is it that they want to know from you?

What information or expertise are they seeking?

So you mentioned the entrepreneurial state being published in 2013.

And I feel like I need to emphasize this because there has been this mind shift since the 2020 pandemic on industrial policy.

And we kind of take it almost as a given, especially on this show, that there is a role for governments to play when it comes to innovation and entrepreneurialism.