Trae (Trey) Stephens

And when I had this idea for Anduril, he was the first person I went to.

And I just said like,

hear me out, what if we started a next-generation defense prime?

And he was like, oh, man, I'm doing this VR thing.

I'm super passionate about this, but I don't know that I'm ever going to do anything other than VR.

And that obviously only lasted until he got fired for his politics.

And then he was right back on the Anduril story with me.

Right on.

I would love to say that he's changed or matured by the standards of society, but he's exactly the same person that he was when he was a teenager starting Oculus.

Money, success, fame has not changed him.

Let's hear it.

Yeah, no, I mean, he is such an interesting person.

You know, I could spend all day talking about this.

In the early days of Anderle, he and I would travel to D.C.

a lot together.

And, you know, I would show up for a two-day trip, and I'd have my rolling suitcase and a backpack, and he would just be at the airport just standing there with no bags.

Like, Pomeroy.

We're going to be there for two days, man.

What's your plan?

And he would just be like, oh, I've got it.