Tristan Harris

And Janet, we're just meeting.

And I just want to say, you know, when I met Tim, I remember just saying, wow, I had no idea that people were working on this.

And it was so inspiring that people had worked and thought so hard about this in the few years that we have to make this happen.

And I know that it must feel lonely.

And there's so few people working on it.

The amount of funding going in is so much less than it should be.

But just thank you both for doing God's work in this.

you know, wanting to see that there's something possible here.

Because if we don't live from that leap of faith that something might be possible, we'll never find the path.

And you all are living role models and examples of that possibility.

So thank you so much for coming on Your Undivided Attention.

So just imagine, thinking back, it was all looking so bleak in this moment when humanity was racing to these dangerous AI capabilities, and it seemed like nothing could stop it.

And then we woke up and realized that this wasn't inevitable.

In the next meeting between the US and China, they did tabletop exercises so that policymakers on both sides could game out the AI race clearly.

And that motivated work for international agreements.

Just in the same way that Mythos raised the stakes and moving from inaction on verification to moving towards protective measures.

Safety conscious employees at AI companies who are now flush with cash from IPOs invested their personal money and resources into this.

We started a grand verification challenge, a prize competition where AI safety institutes across the world and technical universities role played a treaty and even tried to break that treaty without getting caught.

New independent verification organizations tested all major models before release and cryptographically signed the model weights to attest that they had passed specific safety evaluations.

And if a model was deployed without that fingerprint, the deployment was rejected.