Tristan Harris

enamored, fascinated by the possibility, as Adam was saying at the beginning of the show, you're excited because...

I'm excited because the exponential ability that they're describing can also be applied to all the things that make us uniquely human.

If you have this amazing AGI that can create new pathways to energy, we could desalinate water more quickly.

If we do have an international consortium making these decisions, we could say everyone gets enough energy to do what their community wants to do.

And if we go on the route of those goals, AGI unlocks a whole new level of potential for humanity and everyone is safe and fed and happy.

Okay.

So just to name, it's not like we're just critics.

We've both built technology companies.

In fact, I spent half my life working on something called the Earth Species Project, and we are using AI to understand the language of whales and orangutans and chimpanzees.

And elephants.

Yeah.

And elephants, exactly.

We're making massive progress.

And it's very, very beautiful.

And so it's really important, though, that if we actually want to get the future we want to live in, that we distinguish the possible from the probable.

Because, you know, the possible of the internet was we'd all have access to the most information, all of human knowledge all at once.

Obviously, we're going to be the wisest, most informed population.

But is that the future we live in?

No, it's the opposite.

Social media, the same thing.