Tristan Harris

Like it could connect us all and bring us closer together.

Is that what we got?

No, it's the opposite.

So with AI, actually we have a whole bunch of examples of the future we're going to get because we've sort of, we've seen this movie before.

And specifically the way that in 2013, Aza and I, how many people here have seen The Social Dilemma on Netflix?

And many of you, okay.

So you'll know that since 2013, Is and I were working on the problem of social media and the business models that would lead to this problem.

So in 2013, we were able to predict all the things that we're living in, about 70% of them, I would say.

And it's not because you have some kind of unique insight.

All you have to do to understand the future is you have to understand the incentives.

How do the social media companies make money?

And in 2013, we saw that there was an arms race for attention and engagement.

Whoever is better at keeping you on the screen, coming back more frequently, interrupting you more frequently from your life and from your friends and your partner, sending you notifications, manipulating your social proof, manipulating, hey, your friends are missing out, all of that,

are incentivized by that business model.

And so in 2013, it was like we had pre, not post-traumatic stress disorder, but pre-traumatic stress disorder from seeing a future 10 years down the line that was gonna be this societal catastrophe.

And the reason that we're here is not to be doomers or something like that.

This is about seeing clearly.

So imagine if you could go back to 2013, you see those incentives, say, let's put our hand on the steering wheel and change that business model.

Yeah.

And so what I hear you guys saying is that learn the lessons from the past because we know the future is already here.