Tristan Harris

When I saw you in the movie saying we need to be the wisest and most mature version of ourselves, when has that happened?

So there's so much that we can do, and I think we'll get to that through this conversation.

But collectively, it will take the whole power of all of society and all of humanity to say, we don't want that default future.

So the thing that everyone can do, and it's important to note that Tristan and I, we don't make any money from the film, right?

It's not our film, we're just in it.

is go get everyone to watch it.

But more specifically, everyone here is connected to a couple people that are very powerful, very influential.

Go get all of those people to watch it.

And if those 10 people you get to watch got their next 10 people to watch, including the people in Congress, suddenly,

We're all on the same page because it's in nobody's interest.

It's not in Gigi Ping's interest and not in President Trump's interest to make a technology that humans cannot control.

And once there is clarity about that, that opens up the possibility for changing the race and for a different outcome and for a pro-human future.

Okay, so you're seen as doomers when you start talking about the fact that AI will wipe out humanity or eliminate humans.

And that is really difficult, I think, for

for all of us regular folks to wrap our heads around when most of us are just using AI on our phones or using it to refine a speech.

How could AI physically eliminate the human race?

There are actually so many ways.

Intelligence is the most dangerous thing, substance in the universe.

Because what is intelligence?

It's the ability to reach goals in spite of very hard obstacles.