Tristan Harris

Yep.

I mean, you're going to see this.

AI CEOs, AI board members, AI mayors.

And so what would it take for this to not feel theoretical?

Honestly?

Yeah.

You were kind of referring to a catastrophe, some kind of adverse event.

And I think as you're referring to, there are probably people you and I both know who and I think a lot of people in the industry believe that it won't be until there's a catastrophe that we will actually choose another path.

I'm here because I don't want us to make that choice.

I mean, I don't want us to wait for that.

It is.

So that is the fundamental issue here, is that E.O.

Wilson, this Harvard sociobiologist, said the fundamental problem of humanity is we have paleolithic brains.

and emotions.

We have medieval institutions that operate at a medieval clock rate.

And we have godlike technology that's moving at now 21st to 24th century speed when AI self improves.

And we can't depend, our paleolithic brains need to feel pain now for us to act.

What happened with social media is we could have acted if we saw the incentive clearly.

It was all clear.

We could have just said, oh, this is going to head to a bad future.