Tristan Harris

Like how different does the world become?

Like when you meet people, how dysregulated is their nervous system?

Just that one little change.

I want people to think as we're in this conversation.

And there's just these different worlds we can live in with just different design choices.

And that's kind of the whole point is that wisdom can be, what are the design choices that will lead to better societal outcomes?

And of course, the reason that everyone's autoplaying the videos is because of this competitive arms race of, if I don't do it, I'll lose to the other company that will.

And so it would take some kind of rule or policy that says that we don't want that.

And that's like the bullseye.

That's like the fundamental problem behind AI that's forcing us to reckon with is unhealthy competition or this sort of, if I don't do it, I'll lose to the guy that will.

So everyone does a thing that's short-term good for them, but that's long-term bad for everybody.

You know, the AI companies, well, even Anthropic wants to be the safety AI company, they want to do things in a safer, more careful way.

But they if they don't release models as powerful and as fast as the other companies, they'll just fall behind in the race, they won't have a seat at the policymaking table, they won't get a lot of usage, they won't get the investor dollars.

And then their does their commitment to safety just means they lose and they're not part of the race anymore.

Yeah.

I love that you included this example.

That's from right here, University of Texas in Austin, Texas A&M University.

Leave it there, Jared.

Yeah.

So, I mean, are we surprised by this?