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These coalitions that parties have relied on for decades are just way more movable than I think they had been.

Right.

Which gives both parties opportunities, but also has warning signs for both parties who were relying on voters to turn out and support them and are not reliably doing so in the same ways.

And to your point, I had a conversation just before the election with Steve Bannon, one of President Trump's longtime advisers,

who was very concerned about the president's hyper-focus on foreign policy.

He's meeting with foreign leaders multiple times a week.

He's done a lot of global travel.

He has not been traveling at all really domestically outside his homes in Florida and New Jersey.

And some of the president's longtime advisors are saying you need to get back to focusing on the American people.

And Michael, just to add on to that, it's very reminiscent in some ways of Joe Biden's presidency, because Joe Biden

passed all this legislation and promised that the economy was going to get better, but said that it would take time.

A lot of what Trump has done, he said, is in service of the economy.

The tariffs, as Julie said, the tax cut, trying to take stake of companies, saying he's bringing in all this business and investment into the United States.

But that is something that happens over a many-year period.

And I think that is a challenge for presidents who are stewarding an economy, is Americans want relief right now, and it's often hard to deliver that.

I mean, look, Michael, President Trump loves tariffs.

He has loved the tool for decades, and he tried to do a more aggressive tariff regime in the first term, but was held back by some advisors.

And so he is going to be very, very disappointed, to put it mildly, if the Supreme Court overrules tariffs

his ability to do this.

He likes the unilateral aspect of it.