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I want to do anything possible to find him. That's my husband and I love him. I want him found.

And the next time I'm in court, it'll be another cockroach. So just for my case specifically.

You thought my speech was funny?

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I think everything's on sale Friday or something, but I'll see you guys on the road. Love you. Thanks. Bye. You had mentioned to me that you kind of enjoy representing bad people. Oh, my God. I got pilloried for that, by the way.

So it's our fault, really. We have to keep degrading the women we love.

I didn't know what the gimp costume in the basement, you know? There's no Madonna whore complex. You gotta just put them together.

My dad always makes this comment. We'll be at dinner. He's like, you know, Amanda, you still got that nurse outfit?

He's like, I'm joking.

Well, it depends what the shit is. Right.

Well, and the question.

Well, it depends on the nature of the infidelity.

What's fucked up? If you transition, you should introduce yourself again. Yeah, you should lead with that. Hey, by the way, I've done some updates.

Yeah, former client.

New York people also have a weird relationship with college sports in general, which I don't get because so many New Yorkers will go to state schools and then they'll, should have some patriotism.

And they'll still be like, eh. Yeah.

No winter, no classes. Like, perfect. Thank you.

Thank you.

Can we ask the cultural questions?

Thank you.

I want to ask lastly, just how religion plays a role. I know you mentioned this guy talked to God, but like something like an arranged marriage and Hinduism or like, you know, Christian fundamentalism, like Islam has different rules on marriage. How does that play in as it intersects with American culture?

Like how many other times did this happen?

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But Oreos are vegan, right? I'll take a whole sleeve of those down.

11.

If you force me into being vegan, I'll find a way.

Oh, yeah, really?

Oh, my God.

Love you too, buddy.

Really?

Three or four days a week, I would buy two cups of banana pudding. But the price has gone up, so now I only buy one.

Three or four days a week, I would buy two cups of banana pudding. But the price has gone up, so now I only buy one.

Four days a week, I would buy two cups of banana pudding. But the price has gone up, so now I only buy one.

Four days a week, I would buy two cups of banana pudding, but the price has gone up, so now I only buy one.

Every time I hear about my dad, it's, oh, he's a killer. He's just straight evil.

Every time I hear about my dad, it's, oh, he's a killer. He's just straight evil.

Every time I hear about my dad, it's, oh, he's a killer. He's just straight evil.

Every time I hear about my dad, it's, oh, he's a killer. He's just straight evil.

She was a doctor. She was awesome. And he proposed to her right around the time he started beginning corresponding with me. And he one day said to her, I've got to go off on a secret mission. I'll call you when I come back. And he never came back.

And the secret mission was Operation Abby.

But she was one of the names he was using to get narcotics as well.

She wore a wire, and he admitted that he had been forging signatures and everything. He admitted to her, and she got him in trouble.

He was sentenced to, I think, two years and one day prison.

Yeah.

Okay, got the red smoke. Fuck! North and south.

Yeah.

When did he go in the hospital?

God damn!

Ah! My parents will kill me! I don't think I can...

Jesus Christ.

Mm-hmm.

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Let's hear from who knows. Not me. This isn't working. Here we go.

Yeah.

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Did you ever have any group chats with family members who are witnesses in this case?

I'm most interested in the group chat between yourself, Nicole Albert, Brian Albert, Matt McCabe, starting on or around February 1st, 2022. On February 1st, 2022, around 2.15 in the afternoon on this group chat, did you receive a message from your husband on the group? Quote, Julie said channel four is M-D-E. You see that?

The response from Matt McCabe is eating, I assume, quote, ask Chris to ask some questions. Tell them the guy never went in the house, end quote. You see that?

You look at the next page. There's a one word answer from Brian Albert. What is that answer?

Does it appear to you from this chat that Matt McCabe was directing witnesses, specifically Chris Albert, what to say to the news media?

Tell them he never went in the house was the story that had been concocted between and among this group of people in this chat, correct?

just like she said I did.

So according to this chat, at least the very base level, this is one witness telling another witness to give certain information to the media that could be useful to the group, correct? Tell them the guy never went in the house, right?

On January 29th, in the early morning hours, I want to take you all the way back to 1.30, 1.45 a.m. when you left 34th Fairview on the 29th. After you dropped off the girls, where did you and Matt McKay go?

After you got home, you indicated that you went upstairs, correct?

After you went upstairs, you indicated that you got on the phone. Correct. After you got on your cell phone, you indicated that you started searching for something.

So if there's GPS that you've seen the forensic extraction or part of it, correct?

Forensic extraction of your phone.

Celebrite data shows that you were engaging with an app called Safari to engage some Google searches, correct?

That would be generally accurate as well, correct? Yes. So after you opened up Safari, you indicated that you Google searched something about ozone basketball. Is that right? Yes. That was sometime after 2 a.m., right? Yes. What was so important about ozone basketball at 2 a.m. that it couldn't wait until the morning? Why did you search it then?

So you say that the basketball was on your mind, correct?

Was there anything else on your mind in that early morning hour timeframe?

Mr. Cave, if you wanted to know, in general, how long it takes for a human being to pass away because of exposure to extreme temperatures, right? If you wanted to know the answer to that, what would you Google search? What phrase would you use?

I'm asking a different question. If you personally wanted to know how long does it take for a person to die of exposure due to extreme temperatures, what would you put in? What phrase would you use? Well, we don't have to guess at the phrase that you would use if you wanted to know something about dying of hypothermia, do we?

Did you in fact use a phrase to Google search how long it takes for someone to die of extreme temperatures?

What does that Google search say?

Now, you indicate that you've made that search at 623 a.m., correct?

And then you indicated that you did it again thereafter at 624, correct? Correct. At 624, you misspelled the phrase and you spelled it as follows, how long T-I die in C-I-K-D, correct? Correct.

Now you claim that those two searches were at 6.23 and 6.24 a.m. respectively.

Exactly. You claim that you searched because Karen was screaming at you and yelling at you. Google hypothermia. She said something like, how long does it take for a person to die of hypothermia? You Google searched it at 6.23 and 6.24. Is that right?

According to that, the Celebrite data, you see this first search that says, I do.

2.27.

Ms. McCabe, you made that search at 2.27 a.m. because you knew that John O'Keefe was outside in your sister's lawn dying in the cold, didn't you?

The next morning, after John was discovered, after 6 a.m., that you had an incriminating search on your phone, didn't you?

Cover your tracks. You searched it again in order to overwrite the original search at 2.27, correct?

But you were nervous and you screwed it up. So the first search you made at 6.23 was cost long to die in CIKD.

You see the search right there, correct?

And what's the time frame of that search? 6.23. And you agree that timeframe is accurate, right?

That comports with your memory of that morning, about 6.23 in the morning and 51 seconds. There's a second search, correct?

And this one at 6.24 says hostile to dying cold, 6.24, 18, correct?

And that comports with your memory as well.

27 seconds apart, correct?

But the reality is your first search didn't comport with the 2.27 a.m. search, did it? It was a different spell, wasn't it?

But the 6.24 search did exactly mirror the search that, according to this report, plays at 2.27, correct?

Of those three searches, one of them ended up deleted. Isn't that right?

Take a look at the Cinebrag report, top search, and the column marked deleted. What do you see?

Ms. McCabe, the reason you deleted that 2.27 a.m. call is because you realized that if you were caught Googling how long it takes for a person to die in a cold three and a half hours before John's body was found, That would incriminate you, wouldn't it? Did you delete that search because you knew that you would be implicated in John O'Keefe's death if that search was found on your phone?

Of the three searches that show up that were all found on your phone, the one that you disavow is the one that took place at 2.27 a.m., which would implicate you and exonerate my client.

That's not what I asked you. The one according to the Celebrite report that was deleted, the one at 2.27 a.m., correct? Correct. You would agree that that's awfully convenient for you.

You went to John O'Keefe's house at some point to watch the Patriots game on January 16th, right? Yes. That was the time when you indicated that when you left, Karen gave you a kiss goodbye, correct?

It's safe to say that that was not some hot, passionate, long kiss, but you think it was more than just a friendly pat, correct? Correct.

After that incident, you exchanged flirtatious texts with Ms. Reed. Is that right? I did.

Over the course of that week or so, Ms. Reid did explain her feelings about her relationship with Mr. O'Keefe, correct? In text messages.

And she indicated that there's a difference between being married to someone and dating someone, etc. We saw those texts. Is that right?

She also indicated that in terms of the situation in Aruba, she was upset by that, but it's not that big a deal, correct? Correct.

And she said, I don't care too much about that other girl, right?

She said something along the lines of, I'm just trying to be realistic. There's cracks in the relationship. It's far from perfect. Is that right?

You were showing romantic interest in Karen Reed, weren't you?

Well, what do you mean by romantic? What's the romantic phase?

Not if both people are dating other people, right? Happens all the time, doesn't it? My question is, you seem to have a problem admitting that you had a romantic interest in my client. Is there a reason for that?

Right. Physically attracted.

Romantically attracted. You were sexually attracted to her.

Sexually attracted to her was my question.

So my question again, Mr. Higgins, you seem to not want to answer my question. My question is, were you or were you not sexually attracted to my client? Yes. Okay. You were saying things like, what do you want from me? And I want the real deal. Those are your words, correct? Yes. And the real deal with you would be to date her, to get involved with her romantically, correct? No.

The real deal was what? What did you mean by I want the real deal?

What kind of relationship? A buddy-buddy relationship?

Right. And she was answering with things like, when you said, now what? She answered, I don't know, correct?

When you said, so now what? She answered, now what? What? Correct?

Okay, and you remember you just read a text where you texted, what do you want from me? And her responsive text was, I don't know, correct?

Again, with this theme of her being noncommittal one way or the other, is that right?

Well, didn't you just say she was noncommittal? That was your word, not mine.

Right, so when you were sussing it out and determining whether or not you were gonna advance

When you texted, you want the real deal, she responded, it doesn't exist, didn't she?

And then on January 23rd, she just stopped communicating with you altogether, correct?

Do you know what the term ghosted means?

She sort of ghosted you, didn't she?

That was frustrating to you that she just stopped communicating, wasn't it?

You had been moving through this mindset of exploring a romantic interest with a beautiful woman who thought was interested in you. Just like that, it was done, right?

So what communication did you have with her after January 23rd?

You keep saying that, but you know what I'm getting to. January 29th was her informing you that a tragedy had occurred. John had died, right? I'm not talking about that, Mr. Higgins. Up to the 23rd, she had been texting back and forth with you pretty regularly. You just saw it, correct?

And as of the 23rd, she stopped, didn't she?

Well, they didn't keep going, did they?

You know they didn't keep going because from the 23rd on to the 24th, 25th, 26th, 27th, 28th, all the way to the 29th, she never texted, right?

She didn't respond to any of your texts, correct?

Your initial investigation during those obviously critical hours, the beginning hours, led you to believe that there was at least a good possibility, you indicated that you'd made a phone call, that it was a physical altercation that led to John O'Keefe's death, correct?

What steps did you take in those moments to determine whether someone in the house at 34 Fairview may have been involved in that physical altercation that you suspected at the time?

And prior to that, prior to interviewing Ms. McCabe, by the way, that was at Ms. McCabe's home, correct?

Even though you believe that there may have been a physical altercation, you didn't ask anybody to come down to the station. Is that right? Any of the witnesses?

And you did not seek to actually go to the physical location of 34 Fairview in those next few hours?

For the next few days, correct?

You didn't secure the interior of the house as a potential crime scene. You certainly know how to do that, right?

Well, I'll ask the question. If you can answer it, please answer it.

Can you answer that question?

Why don't you answer both of them?

And yesterday, during the entirety of your questioning by Mr. Lytle, not once did you mention that this video is actually completely inverted.

If you take a look, a close look, there's a classic police car in that saloon, correct?

If you take a close look at the trunk of that vehicle, is it the word police?

That's a good indication that this is an inverted video, right?

If we were to fast forward at 5.42, you see the teleport garage came down?

You see a number on the garage?

Does the number appear correct? How do you make it four?

I just wanted to make the point. Everything in this video is completely backward, correct? Correct.

But my mirror image is not an accurate depiction of who I am. This is an appearance of who I am, correct? A mirror image, Sergeant, is not an accurate video of this, is it? It's a mirror image by definition.

There's one other issue I want you to pay attention to if you can, right at this moment or right before this moment, and that is the timestamp. Instead of paying attention to the individuals, I'm going to ask you, can you see the timestamp? 5.37, 37 seconds p.m. Can you see that from where you're at?

Did you see another person just appear before the rear end of the car?

The timestamp jumped to 5.38.01, correct?

did it appear that there was an anomaly? There was a portion of that video that was deleted. It's missing, not deleted, just missing.

You saw that yesterday when they played it the first time? No, when they played it the first time, I was completely taken by surprise. When I saw the number 4 on the Sally Port door, that was a pretty good indicator.

Triple Proctor, you never thought when you were engaged with these other individuals that this particular set of chats would ever become public, did you? If you could just read the three responses from yourself, sir.

And then you write back, quote, she waffled him. I looked at his body at the hospital, right? Correct. You use the phrase waffled about a Boston police officer who had fallen in the snow and died in someone's yard. And you decided to use the word waffled him.

You decided on the 29th of January, 17 hours into this investigation, you decided individually, Trooper Proctor, you're not only going to put it on the girl, you decided you're going to make sure this is cut and dried, and the way you're going to do it is to make sure that she's fucked.

Yesterday, during the entirety of your question, not once did you mention that this video is actually completely inverted.

Privatized healthcare is a crime against humanity.

He was on display for everyone to see in the biggest staged perp walk I've ever seen in my career.

You did not put that in here.

You know what I mean? I love the Michelle.

Everyone's eating.

How do you get a revolver? Shorty?

Isn't that funny?

Now he'll listen.

No, absolutely not. We can just say, just go yourself and go listen to the crazy world of Arthur Brown.

Yeah, they're not there to talk to people.

I'm a writer. I'm a broadcaster. I broke my leg last year. I missed my junior year. I'm behind. Why are you putting me in at safety? I'm so much a better running back. Put Billy Joe in at safety. Or Jason. I'm a much better running back.

Selina McCrickard. Selina McCrickard.

You figure Seattle with the rain would be fine. No.

No intention behind that pun. You gotta believe me. You gotta believe me. There's something wrong with the hand.

The VHS.

No child porn in this one? No.

And this wonderful world we live in today. It's a great big beautiful tomorrow.

Firefighter humour. It's just gallows humour.

Really, he's just throwing... It's like, it's fucking... It's horrible. It's just... You see what they do. Some will say something. I'm just trying to get out of here.

Dude, there's the worst one of all.

Well, I don't know. Peter Dinsdale. 26! I think... Yeah, no, I believe you.

He will suck dick for money.

Who blew a lot of hot air. Yeah.

Okunowitz sounds Polish. He is Polish. It's a hybrid name. Oh. One of those. Yeah, I understand.

Interesting. Get out of here.

Do you know how long it takes to build a planet for each one of these fucking Mormons? I'll tell you. Instantly.

Yeah, it's hard to do. That's what always jumped out at me is that, like, I killed 120 bees.

Please release me from this coil. This horrible coil.

Yeah, dude. Come here, man. Let me show you, dude.

Yeah, fuck his ass. Cut his throat. Play with his fucking guts. I want to be inside of him.

It's almost like it's a feature and not a bug, and they can't wait for the rest of us to die.

It's called going to the beach. It's not like the tide comes in in like five seconds. It's a beach. It's a fucking beach. It's how oceans work.

She can be fucked a lot. She is fucked many, many times we fuck. That's a great thing. She's my mother. Here in heaven, we're not held up by hang-ups, man.

Yeah, me and mom talk about fucking all the time. She shows me how to fuck. I fuck now. It's crazy up here.

I tried to help her last month and she bit me.

She's very hungry. She bites.

I had the same thought, too. It's just like, oh, you motherfuckers. This is the plague. It was the plague. The plague showed up. And you all dropped the ball. Yes. Fucking morons. Not this plague.

How did anybody get involved with this?

Yeah, they're great.

Oh, I'm sitting. Oh, fuck. I'm not sitting.

Yeah.

Jesus fucking Christ. Totally different. It's so fucking different it makes me want to scream. Is this kind of money? No. It could be.

You're just going to move on, huh? Yeah, of course. Well, you interrupted me right in the middle of it. Are there any pictures of this? Pictures of what?

He lived in Long Island. He had a lab. It's not fucking Tora Bora. It's Long Island. It's right next to New York City. Brooklyn is technically Long Island.

Oh, did we do that? Or did we trade our souls to the aliens for that technology? Marcus gets it. I mean, it's just gas, right?

Okay, cool.

That's who it's supposed to be. It's a big fat guy. No, you just cut me off before I can tell the actual story, which is nowhere near Preston Nichols' actual story. Yes, but Jerry O'Connell is a tiny burger.

In fact, we see a guy that started the Wookiee chapter in Montauk, the Wookiee Wookiees.

Is there a relation between vagina size and diabetes? Oh, I know that I was so big that she became a diabetic.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Like, no fucking shit. You've mostly been singing one at a time. Don't do it one at a time. Do it all like, one, two, three.

No shit.

The victims were held against their will. They were actually bound, both the male and the female. They were pistol whipped. They were beat. They were victimized.

You're right, it was rowdy. Sometimes you literally couldn't hear the broadcasters, which was just nice. It was just so loud in there. Why shouldn't it be loud? They're watching Anthony Edwards, one of the best players of the 2020s. How far is he going? How high is he going? Second conference finals here in number five of his career. Could it be his first NBA Finals?

Yeah, it felt like a Gentleman's Sweep in the conference finals last year when the Minnesota Timberwolves were down 3-0, and they won game four. That one was on the road, but still. It's gentlemanly. You don't want to go away with a sweep. So here you go.

That's the gentleman part of it.

I think it's the Pacers.

They're awesome. They're awesome. Yeah, I just expected this of Anthony Edwards. I mean, I'm being definitely biased here. But when a guy gets balanced in the conference finals and he promises his city and he says he feels bad the way they got eliminated by the Mets, the Pacers are obviously an incredible team. But that's a great question.

Chris Finch is hot. I will say I want Chris Finch to drop. all the things that he says to Julius Randle because this guy was his assistant coach for one year in New Orleans and said he connected with him and he demands a lot of his players and he's demanded something of Julius Randle.

I think there's definitely a possibility. Okay, see, we shall see. What I loved watching him in this game was the assists, was the passing. Because he dropped 12, career high for him. He had never even reached double digits in assists in the postseason. And the field goals were just down. I mean, he basically had his fewest of the playoffs. Dropping 13. He's only 23. He's getting better.

So I give all the credit to Anthony Edwards, but I should be giving a lot of credit to Chris Finch because he is, you know, your Popovich type of coach where he just asks so much of his players to be hot. There you go.

Exciting times.

It's warming up around here.

Maybe they don't get the respect they deserve.

This guy's hot. They had an incredible end to the season. And it was after Julius Randle came back from his injury. That's when they went 17-4 to end the season. And people had wondered, are they consistent? And suddenly they got consistent. Now the Pacers were consistent since January 1st.

Injuries at every series. Yes, we all get hurt. We all set the fire alarm off. We all get hurt. We all get hurt.

He's climbing up. The best assists I thought were to the old guy, speaking of age, to Mike Conley in that second quarter. Oh, man, Conley was awesome. The 37-year-old that we didn't think we'd be talking about. We thought we'd be talking about other 37-year-olds in this series, but he was awesome, dropping four threes that second quarter run where he went up.

Oh, yeah, I think so. I definitely think so. Trimazul was asked after the game, was Kristaps Porzingis all right? And he said, yeah, I think he'll play in game six, but he couldn't breathe out there.

Whether they went on a 17-5 run to end the second quarter. I mean, 20 assists on 25 made field goals in that first half. Edwards dropping six times. Conley dropping four times. Randall dropping four times. The trickle-down effect of Anthony Edwards being awesome back-to-back conference finals here is real. He has just had such an effect. On the other side...

Got his face ready. He shaved. He was ready for this game. It was a clean cut. Lou Cornett, that third quarter was ridiculous to have five blocks in that quarter. Did you guys see the stat going around? Oh, I did.

I had a different set, but it definitely played. Akeem Olajuwon played a part of that one. Players with five rebounds and five blocks since 1997 in one quarter. There's only five of them. Luke Cornett is now one of them, along with Akeem Olajuwon. There's three others since 1997 who've had five boards and five blocks in a quarter, according to our man Lom.

Diggity Dwight did it, and two more. Ben Wallace? No.

No.

No.

No.

No. No. You'll know one guy for blocks.

No. More current than... Led the league in blocks. Since it's a more modern player.

No.

You wouldn't think of him as a Nugget, I don't think. Iguodala? No. No, he's a monster of a player. He won championships as a role player. He definitely started for these teams, but... Just a guy you don't think of. Antonio McDyess? No. Maybe you think of him as a dunk contest guy. No. You don't think of him as a Denver Nugget. L.A., Golden State. Yeah, I just don't think of them.

Washington Wizards, even.

Chris Webber? No.

No. Jason Richardson? No. Who is it? You call him a knucklehead. He won championships recently with the Bubble Lakers. Call him a knucklehead? I don't know. Knucklehead's not a word. JaVale McGee. JaVale McGee.

Well, that's a great, great stat. That third quarter was ridiculous where the Knicks only shot four of 20 and Luke Cornell had five blocks in that freaking thing. Brunson had five fouls. But yes, the Celtics turned it on, especially defensively. Yes, Jalen Brown was the new Jason Tatum, being that spray guy and setting up Derek White.

But to see him get that steal on Jalen Brunson and dive onto the floor and keep it in, they're playing for the freaking series.

I know we all want to talk about the offense and what the heck happened with Steph going down, but this team that had the best defense after the Jimmy Butler trade just kind of fell apart. The last five halves of this series, at the beginning of Game 3, which felt like the Jimmy Butler game, they had a really good first half, and then since that, each half, in Game 3, Game 4, and Game 5,

It was so good. Anyone else from this one? Well, it is funny that even with Jason Tatum hurt, I know we mentioned Derek White, but he still kind of gets overlooked. Okay, splashing threes. Oh, yeah. Classic. Classic Derek White. Seven splashed threes. Seven. Seven of 13. But then I just think of the defense in this game.

huge blocks huge blocks he goes out and blocks Carl Anthony Towns a seven footer in the corner blocking his shot he's blocking everybody so Derek White a classic unheralded star but he was he was super important to drop 34 in this game because he even brought it up and started shooting and when everybody's coming out to him the drive was there so he was just phenomenal

It averaged 60 points in the last five halves of this series for the Warriors defensively. They gave up 62, 58, 59, 62, and 59. So 60 per half the last five halves. That's 30 points a quarter. I didn't get any done. Too many points. And that's just not the step factor, right? That's just this team not playing well together.

Yeah, I don't know for sure.

Yeah. How did they do that? They pulled them off right on the court, but we didn't see it. They didn't get... They didn't get footage of that.

We need the Hawkeye camera. We got to see those spandex. Do players now start to put Vaseline on their face like they're an MMA fighter? Because that's where he got hit, right?

If you got Vaseline, maybe it slips off, but obviously it starts pouring down his entire face. That's a lot of blood.

Season high in threes with five splashers.

And obviously getting out the three-point shooters, which the Timberwolves three-point shooting was ridiculously good, especially because... Ant was spraying it so well. This guy has got a LeBron game one feel it type of vibe, right? He seems like game one, we might lose. Classic LeBron, but he'll figure it out. He obviously did figure it out.

And the Celtics have scored 35 more points in this series. They're plus 35.

I don't know. I'm not going to go into the numbers, but how many teams that are plus 20, 30, or whatever to come back? They do it.

They do it more often than other teams. JD's checking the temperature here in the Classic Factor.

Yeah, I thought he was just being really great at defending the roller. I mean, he was just good at it. And I think he's able to do that better than Chris Stapps right now. He looked real agile out there. So how can you go away from him?

He was wearing that 90s starter Knicks jacket. Yeah, he was looking great out there. It seemed like he was trying to keep it undercover a little bit.

You know, the glasses.

And yeah, the Jimmy Butler factor did not figure it out on the other end offensively, but...

It was Game 3. He felt like, we're going to win this thing. Don't knock me out of this game. Yeah, it was game three. Don't call me for fouls.

Oh, it's news. It is news for the NBA. They don't want this headline everywhere. This headline was everywhere. I checked it out. It was on Fox News. It was on AP. It was on The Guardian. It was on the New York Post. They don't want more and more headlines of guys questioning the integrity of this league.

And it's just so prominent in this league right here, right now. I wonder what the conversations are at the governor's meeting in Las Vegas about how much fans are seeing it everywhere. Because actually, it was on The Athletic just recently. They did the anonymous players poll, and they asked them about gambling and the takes from players on gambling and how much they hate it.

Predominantly, just despise how much... Fans are talking to them about it, just how much ridicule is around it and how much they don't like it. And the integrity has become a problem for some players, period. And so I wonder how much that is a factor going into next season. Now, maybe it's not a huge factor. We saw Rudy Gobert do the money signal last year. He was found 100K. Yeah.

So that's double what Draymond was fired. Interesting.

And you don't get the visual that you'll always have with Rudy Gobert doing the money. So that should cost even more. And I'm sure that...

I don't think this is news. I think Masai Ujiri is the king of Canada. If there's anyone who's going to prevent Canada from becoming the 51st state, it's this guy. And look, from the Atlanta side, they haven't had a president, a basketball for two and a half years, really. They've had a GM in Landry Fields.

And they got rid of him because they want somebody to take over that front office and be an incredible front office leader with an incredible resume and repertoire. I get it from their perspective. Right. Of course, it definitely makes sense. But I just don't see it happening. We haven't heard rumors like this in a few years as far as Masai Ujiri leaving.

Now, maybe he wants to pass it off, pass the torch to Bobby Webster. I suppose that there's a chance. But how likely is this going to happen? I just don't see it happening. But he's built an incredible, incredible thing in Toronto.

And I think he wants to see it through where he's got these four players now that he's signed to big deals that haven't obviously paid off quite yet in Barnes and quickly. And now Brandon Ingram and RJ Barrett. So I'm guessing he wants to see it through for a couple more years. Mark Stein is very credible, though. So it is a question. It is a question.

I'm sure ETL wants him, but I just don't know how much he wants to leave.

Probably not.

Alex Karatsis?

What about Kostas? Oh, I always forget about him. But Thanasis is the podcast. Yes, he is. What's it called? JK, JK, Jonathan Kaminga. Hire friends. That happens in the NBA very often. Bring them in and it helps out. Although Trey threw out the poll here. Which team has a better scenario? Is it the Raptors or the Hawks that the fans are saying?

Yeah, because I had a lot of fun talking about it yesterday, so it remains news. What did you say? Just sign it? Just do it?

And then I said, just do it.

Speak on the shoe dog himself. I will say something about, you mentioned Snickers, that you like buying a Snickers occasionally.

Yeah, it's funny because here on the stream team, someone asks, NoDunk sponsored by Snickers since when? What you just said sounded like we're sponsored. The wise one, 477, asking a question.

Yeah, but I will say, but at an ice cream truck the other day, Danielle bought a Snickers ice cream bar. Yeah. And I was excited. Okay. I was excited. But I guess this ice cream truck had it in there for like five years or something.

That's a possibility. Some freeze bite on that thing. It just wasn't good. It just didn't hit the same. I was very excited for it. That's all I got to say about that.

Regular temperature chocolate bar, not ice cream bar.

It comes by daily, actually.

No.

Does it come in your neighborhood? No, no, no. A van came by and wasn't playing the song. And then, like, after 20 minutes, like, oh, yeah, I didn't turn it on. Then they started turning it on after, like, 20 minutes. Kids are like, what the heck? Play the freaking song, man.

I'm taking Denver.

Thanks for joining us. And remember, Kostas Adetokounmpo was the first Adetokou bro to win an NBA championship. Yeah. Yeah. It happened.

Was that the moment you sent your group message of this is over?

It was a unique call from Reggie. I've watched basketball a long time. Never heard a broadcaster say that or a former player say that. It was smart. It was smart, obviously, for Julius Randle to go play with Anthony Edwards, too. I mean, the trickle-down effect was just real with this guy. He said he was going to get Minnesota back to the conference finals.

He promised the fans that he was going to do that. He obviously did that, especially because you got closeout Rudy Gobert on your team. This guy doesn't score in double digits unless it's a closeout game. Every single game this postseason, He's gone from the beginning. 2-6-1-5 were his points total scored. And then in the closeout game, 27. Bang! To start this series. 9-5-9-8 and then this one.

That's a little crazy.

go bear the great closer i mean everybody yes was freaking awesome in this game rudy was eight for nine jane mcdaniel is doing his thing mike conley we talked about those four threes it was ridiculous to get that anthony edwards pass with basically two seconds left on the shot clock late in the second quarter and mike conley just has to chuck one up from deep and he doesn't um to have a 16 point game

From him to go along with eight assists and six boards, what a freaking performance. Like, we could just literally go down everyone on the roster. DiVincenzo came alive shooting the threes. And Nas Reed had a meh-meh game. And so did Nikhil Alexander-Walker, but what a performance. Just a stacked, stacked lineup against a Warriors team, obviously, that was looking.

And we saw a Brandon Pijanski game in this one, which was great. And Kaminga back again. Can't wait to see what the offseason and Jonathan Kaminga's future looks like. Looks like here. Is he coming back? Who knows? Because they're obviously looking for a fourth guy. I call him a fourth score. I want to say a fourth score. No, they need a third score. They need a second score.

They need a lot of things. Will he come back on this team that has obviously got so much money tied up in Steph and Dre and Jimmy? So it's going to be really tough for them to get somebody.

Oh, yeah, baby. It's fun time already. Maybe Lowry Markkinen is part of the talks again. That's a decent possibility. I think you have to give up. Less probably for him and the Utah Jazz just swung and missed here on the NBA draft lottery. So maybe they just say, all right, we need to trade for somebody rather than just wait for a draft pick. So there's that option.

There's interesting stuff there that can happen. I will say, yeah, we can get to the Jimmy Butler, you know, not performing in the last couple of games and all that. But again, the defense, you mentioned Draymond Green. That's disappointing for me on the Warriors side, that they just couldn't get it done.

And yeah, it starts with Draymond Green, that they just couldn't turn down the Wolves a little bit at some point. But I guess it was after that first half in Game 3 when things looked good and things just went. Straight down from there for two and a half games when, yes, from the Timberwolves, of course, they're looking at this like, baby, this is the season right here.

We don't have to see Steph again. But also from the Warriors' side, this is the season. Steph may come back if we can play a good half of basketball, which didn't happen. It was that game three that we all brought up.

He seems to like it. Nike likes it.

Sie kommen.

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Right. Content-wise, yeah. Yes, yes, yes. Not offensive by any means. But did you reach out to the parent of this said child and said... Yeah, I did some stuff.

Nah, it's not that interesting.

You heard it here first. Have a great time. Turn up. Love you guys.

Ja.

Oh, wow.

Yeah.

Oh no! Put it away, put it!

Oh my god. Oh my god.

Easily. It's like not even close. No, it's not a discussion. When he gets his first technical, it's even worse. Yeah.

Yeah. Tom Haverstraw had the stat. Draymond is four times more likely to be ejected when Steph Curry is out. Yeah, yeah. And guess who wasn't playing last night? Yeah. He doesn't like to be around.

He likes when Steph's there. Yeah, as would I. That was Rudy Gobert's quote, right?

I think he gets his final two points, whichever it is, technicals or flagrant, in the game that the Warriors are eliminated and it carries over to next season. Okay, okay.

Yeah, exactly. A suspension at least. He ain't ever coming back to the NBA because it's over for Patrick Beverly. But when he does, he's suspended for his first game for throwing a ball at a fan. Yeah, that's right. Yeah.

He's not coming back until Game 6 at the earliest.

I think they already ruled him out for 2, 3, and 4, right?

No, but they ruled them out for two, three, and four is what Lauren Jabara reported last night.

And Curry is saying, I might have to play through Payne, but we're not even to that point yet where I can do anything regarding basketball.

Well, he's supposed to be Robin at this point because Jimmy has to be Batman.

But they both look like, I don't know. Who's a deeper cut in the Batman universe who does nothing? JD, you might need your help on this one. Not a DC guy. He's not a DC guy.

Morgan Freeman, what was his character's name? Lucius Fox or something like that, right?

Okay. Those guys were both Lucius Foxes last night. We need more from you. We need you to be one of the two heroes, actually.

I think it says away team players, player first name, away team players, player last name.

He was pretty good last night.

Great defense. He was guarding Buddy Heald a lot, running through screens. He forced a shot clock violation in the first quarter. They cut to Mike Conley, and you can see him yelling, I locked that shit up.

Excuse me, Mike. Never had a technical in his career. Just cussing. What happened to Midwest Knight? Mike, three shot clock violations for the Warriors last night. They have eight total in eight quarters. So that's not very good. From the Bad Airball Chronicles, Moses Moody had a fast break, shot a pull-up jumper. 13-footer is what it went down as in the play-by-play, and he shot it 17 feet.

Shot it completely over the rim. Completely brutal. Yeah.

We will see. I got a couple more clips I saw on the internet. They left Brandon Pajemski outside. Security did for the Timberwolves. It's very funny. They're all like walking in from the bus and the garage door is just closing slowly on Brandon Pajemski. You can hear somebody yelling... We got another one. Unassuming looking guy, certainly. So that was pregame. I also like postgame.

Michael Irvin, Hall of Fame receiver, cowboy. He's buddying up with Anthony Edwards. You can see how they would be kindred spirits, I think. They're taking photos, blah, blah, blah, blah. And at the end, Michael Irvin kissed him on the cheek. I think Ant was expecting that as well.

He's a Dallas guy, I think, right, Randall?

Two best three-point shooting teams in the league this season cannot shoot and are on the verge of being bounced from the second round of the playoffs. The Cavs were second in makes, second in percentage this season during the regular season. The Celtics were first in makes, ninth in percentage through four second-round games. Boston, of course, everybody knows it. They're 25 for 100.

That's also very bad. Very bad. They had their two worst shooting nights of the season against the Pacers. Pacers obviously have a 2-0 lead going back to Indiana. Same thing on the flip side. the Eastern Conference bracket with the Knicks being up 2-0 going back to New York City. New York City. People are analyzing these misses from the Celtics. Are these good shots? Are these bad shots?

Here's what I know. They've taken and missed 75 three-pointers. Holy shit. Even if only a sixth of those are what you would consider good looks, a sixth of those misses, that would be six shots a game that are good looks.

And this is a Celtics team that has shot well the entire season, didn't shoot it well against Orlando, thought it was an aberration, but maybe it's just a cold snap that's lasting for a little bit here. If they make two of those six shots per game, 33%, worst in the league, they're up 2-0. No Garland, I think, is the reason the Cavs really aren't getting their three-pointers up.

He takes threes, he creates threes, he's an awesome pick-and-roll player, gets corner threes a lot for the Cavs. They're just not there right now. It's gotta be Donovan Mitchell trying to create his own three-point looks And he's kind of been struggling since returning from injury at the end of the season.

So the Celtics feel like they're reverting back to 2023 where it's like, oh, you're just chucking threes when the going gets tough. The Cavs are kind of seeing their dream season unravel largely due to injuries and poorly timed shooting like. Ty Jerome, thanks for the regular season. Would you like to show up and play in the second round here?

You see the traditional two bigs are kind of back in vogue. People are going crazy about a power forward being out there with the center. I just wonder if teams are going to be like, we can go the high variance route. It's awesome during the regular season, but... Seven-game series, that's a small sample size.

If you have five bad games of shooting, you're getting bounced earlier than you probably should.

For me, it's OG Ananobi. That's a good one. Celtics have two All-NBA wings. The Knicks have two All-NBA players in Brunson and Katt. And you could argue that OG's been the best player through the first two games of this series. He definitely was in the second half of Game 1, scored 23 of his 29 Game 2.

Only five points for OG, but four steals and one block, and he was the main guy who got the Jason Tatum assignment. Tatum went five for 19 from the field and had three turnovers, took him completely out of the game. I think OG has been awesome defensively when he's giving you 20 points offensively as well. That's tough to beat, shooting 47% from three here.

He was a huge part of the reason that the game flipped in game one. And then, you know, he's making plays throughout the game in game two, though not necessarily being the scorer. It was more so Bridges in the fourth quarter for that one. But I think OG has been awesome for the Knicks, just doing exactly what they were hoping for when they built the team.

The big one is guarding the big one, and the quick one is guarding the quick one, and they look like they are healthier and more fresh than the Celtics guys are. You got knee injection, Jalen Brown. You got hurt wrist, Jason Tatum. Meanwhile, Bridges and OG are playing for Tom Thibodeau, who runs his guys into the ground, allegedly, and... The Knicks look fine. They don't look bothered.

They're like, oh, we only have to play 45.

The unsung heroes list. I had Neesmith on mine as well. He's out there for defense, ball pressure, physicality, intensity, and he's scoring 20 points per game, shooting 64% from three while looking like an extra from swingers. Yes, he does. Like, you got that soul patch on the bottom. It's a throwback look. This party's dead anyways. Yeah.

What do you think? Well, I imagine they all think they can win. Yeah. But do you think they could? No, not really. Okay. No, I don't think all eight teams are going to win, but like, I wouldn't have thought the Knicks are a championship contender, but their defense is completely turned around in the playoffs. Mitchell Robinson has been awesome for them. We just talked about OG.

Miles McBride has been super helpful. Bring in point of attack defense. But the answer to this question came to me in game two of Knicks versus Celtics. Boston was up, clanking away. Pacers are going to the finals. Book it right now. Wow. I like this bold statement here. Okay. They are. They're one of the hottest teams in the league since January. That's a long time ago.

They played both sides of the ball. They've got a deep rotation. They played together last year. They brought back everybody. Their team is exactly the same. They know their roles. They've got belief. They're awesome in the clutch. 24-14 this season. It's not a fluke. Halliburton is hitting big shots every time they need him to. He didn't even get fined for doing the big balls dance.

He got warned. He got warned. Big balls are back on the menu, boys. I thought that was awesome. But I also thought that was the NBA saying, hey, man, this guy's rolling. We can't take him down right now. We already punished his dad. We also can't punish him. Exactly. Exactly. Get out of here, John. But Tyrese has been awesome. Do I think they could beat OKC in the finals? Unlikely. OK.

But I think they can make it.

I'll tell you one thing that had me rattled. Yeah. The new Pope, Pope Leo. He's from Chicago and went to Villanova. That's the Brunson blessing.

06.50.

06.50.

White Sox won the World Series.

Was it a favorite? It was a long shot. Taking the field. Yeah, I guess so. Take the field of Cardinals next time. Congratulations. First American Pope. Wow. That's amazing.

They're going to play ten times better than they played last night because the Wolves, you're right, they didn't play a great game. They played probably a B game, and this ended up being a blowout in the end. It's just an uphill battle to score. for this Warriors team. They had 98 points per 100 possessions last night. That's worse than the worst in regular season basketball.

And when it was dark out. Yeah.

Okay. Yeah, he did it.

He entered in a wheelchair, which I thought was pretty funny.

Paul Pierce, man. This is the best Paul Pierce content we've seen since the stuff that got him fired from ESPN.

That's funny.

You would have given him an actual worst if he said, I'm going to walk in and then just drove there. Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah.

Let's get him on it.

Yes.

It's been a minute. It's been a minute. Did we do it in April? I don't know. I think we did, but... We had weird scheduling in April. Yeah. A lot of voyages to be taken, but Five Star Friday, we look at five of your five-star reviews from Apple Podcasts. Here are the five this week. Our first one. I don't remember the name of it, but it's titled Best NBA Pod and it isn't close.

For the entire playoffs, they've played, what, nine games now. They're 10th overall. Only the New York Knicks are worse for teams that advance to the second round. It hasn't been a great offensive showing for the Warriors, period. And most of those games were with Steph Curry on the court. They need playoff, Jimmy. That was... Middle of March, Jimmy, last night.

Every time I hear good morning, sweet world, I get so fired up. The cold opens are absolutely fire. Random segments that are entertaining as balls. Not to mention the boys know ball. Everything is just...

chef's kiss please read my review so i can feel important just kidding i'm not kidding we read it you got it yeah hopefully you remember writing that because we got into the name game again you know where you click to see more you can't tell who wrote it but thank you for that one uh and thank you for listening our next one the perfect companion to a busy architecture student i discovered this show during the starters days when i first got into the nba back in 2016 oh great season

I'm so glad I did because nine years later, I'm a third year college student with so much work to do per usual. And this podcast has been alongside me throughout. I tune in live every day and at nighttime when it's time to grind. I've been re-listening, re-watching old beach step-ins, happy hours, pop and packs, etc.

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I'm going to see what they were saying on March 14th, 2023. What was going on?

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13 shots, 5 free throws, 4 assists, 2 turnovers. Stan Van Gundy mentioned it in the fourth quarter. He's playing side to side. Jimmy Butler needs to play downhill. The Warriors love a beautiful game of basketball. They're going to have to play ugly ball. They're going to have to start two guys who can't shoot and trace Jackson Davis and Draymond Green.

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I think this dates back to at least the starters days.

Quick release.

Three point contact records or whatever.

Or has used different names to send in the Coppola counter. Right. We've definitely read a dick nose on here before. I remember that one.

They're going to have to hope Draymond can finish games. And they're going to have to... Just try and get to the free throw line a thousand times with Kaminga, with Jimmy Butler, because there's nobody else that can playmake on this team. Jimmy can playmake. Jimmy can create his own shots. Kaminga can create his own shots. He doesn't make plays for anybody else.

They're pretty cool looking. I would hate having to get a mattress up to a treehouse.

Or carrying one up a flight of stairs. What a little ladder. Rope ladder.

You can tell they spent time at the gazebo.

But it is kind of the same thing. It's all about location, maybe.

No, I'm living in a Bass Pro Shops.

Am I? There's fish swimming around, food to eat, beds. It's a camp bed. Yeah. You got everything. It's like a bunch of weird stuff at a Bass Pro Shops. It ain't just lures. You're right.

Spacious.

Pat Spencer is literally their best initiator outside of those two guys, and he had a dud last night. Kerr played 14 guys in the first half of this game, literally trying to be like, are you gonna be able to play in this series? I am not as confident in the Warriors as Tass is, but they certainly could lock down defensively, play 20 second possessions for an entire game, try and limit,

Yeah, it's huge. It's humongous. It'll be interesting to see. Yeah, totally.

Did you ever watch The Lighthouse, Jacob?

I wonder if it's like a, is it an episode thing? You know, like a TV show nominates an episode of their series. I don't know. I don't know.

possessions for the Timberwolves and maybe steal one in Golden State. Right.

Hit my mic with my finger. We'll just send that one clip. That's crazy. Podcast I love right now. I guess maybe this could win a Golden Globe. Blank Check with Griffin and David. It's a movie podcast. They're kind of similar to us. They've got a decade long backlog. They got a huge archive. They're calling it a decade of dreams this year. And they just go through... Filmmakers catalogs.

So it's like Michael Mann was a great series. James Cameron's a great series. They're doing Spielberg right now, I think. Yeah, exactly right. They've done two Spielberg series. They go through every movie? Yeah, they did like an early Spielberg and now they're like Jurassic Park era Spielberg. So maybe now they're doing your own Spielberg.

And they're awesome. They're great. A movie you like, you'll like it better if you listen to the podcast. And a movie you don't like, you might change your mind if you listen to the podcast.

Back-to-back Blink-182 songs. Yeah. I didn't know it was a back-to-back Sunday on 97.9.

Also true. The House of Tudor.

People crying at speeches that I would never expect to be crying at speeches. Sam Carsley amongst them. Also these two guys sitting at the table crying at speeches. Is This Good got a lot of shout outs in the wedding speeches. I wonder if you guys got any new subscribers from Lenny giving you those shout outs.

Yeah. Lenny killed it. He was, he was so funny. I was great to see like the bros we went on the bachelor party with again. Oh man, what great vibes it was. You know, getting exposed to my wife. Uh, But, I mean, you guys mentioned it, the dancing. This was a question mark to me. We know Matt Austin is a music man. He's got tastes. He's got preferences. So what was it going to be like?

And it was perfect. It was amazing.

I don't know if this is the case at every Jewish wedding, but I bet this was the second traditional Jewish wedding I've been to. And you basically have your appetizer course, your salad and all that stuff. And you get an amuse-bouche of dancing. You just go out there for half an hour. They bring you your real food. You go eat it. Get your energy back up and go out on the dance floor again.

So, yeah, I mean, we probably danced for five hours, and then at the end it just turned into private room karaoke. Matt, like, scrolling through songs on his phone, looking for something he's going to want to scream at the top of his lungs with his face. Can you play this, Eric? oh, I can play it, and he just sits back. These guys are loving it.

He always has notes. There was unapproved food comedy in the Weinfraud presentation.

And it absolutely killed for us. We thought it was great. I would love to see food comedy. I mean, that's a... Maybe not the thing Matt is best known for, but something I'll always think of. I forgot about that.

It was like, what the hell is going on here? Kevin Knox is playing. That was crazy. A lot. Yeah, you saw a lot of Kevin Knox.

He earned minutes. Yeah, they both earned minutes. Literally, they're going to need Kaminga to score iso buckets. The thing with Jimmy is he doesn't want to shoot any contested shot. He would rather pass it to somebody else to take a wide-open shot. He's going to have to take contested shots here, too, but... I don't know.

Like, certainly the Warriors made it interesting a little bit in the third quarter with Kaminga going off. The Timberwolves won the quarter. The Timberwolves won every quarter last night. This was a blowout, but it was interesting for about five seconds there until Chris Finch said, hey, play hard. And he is coaching them hard. He called out Anthony Edwards. He's called out Julius Randle.

There's a lot of accountability on this team. They're better than the Warriors are. Without Steph Curry, it's questionable, even if Curry's playing, which is the better team here. No Curry, it feels like no chance to me for Golden State.

Right. Yeah. Right. He seems to be okay. Yeah, that's right. That's a good point. He is the new LeBron James. LeBron will go down. Looks like he sprained his ankle. You're like, oh, there's no way he comes back. Ties his shoe and he's back. He's good. He had a 250-pound guy land on his foot and missed, what, six minutes? And then came back and led the team in scoring in the second half.

They definitely got it right. That was like by the letter of the law, that is a dead ball technical foul. They've played nine games in the playoffs. Draymond has seven points for my instigator team. He's carrying the team. I've already won. Uh, nobody's going to catch me. There's already a 10 minute, 10 minute Twitter clip of Draymond Green shenanigans from this playoffs by Mr. Buck Buck NBA. Yeah.

go check out Mr. Buck Buck NBA I kind of think Draymond is the only guy that does these flail moves but then I was remember I was like Bruce Bowen he was a big time flailer they started inventing these flagrant fouls because of him Kobe Bryant as well love to do a shoot a shot and then bring my fist into your face as I'm shooting so there's some other flailers let me know before you bring that that got it right in my face yeah but I didn't I didn't I have control of my limbs you see that you see that I'm not even an NBA athlete and I can control my limbs but

Clip it and ship it. Everybody expects Draymond to do something every game and he does something every game.

50.

I do want to try the food spots you guys talk about out there, though. I'm just trying to hit the city.

I know, but you get to. I'd be immobile out there.

I wouldn't work out there.

Dude, Nick, like...

That's literally what me versus a gorilla would look like. And that's chicken scratch. Like, they don't know what they're doing.

I'm in there-

Huh? They're probably both going to get bounced out. Well, I mean, Golden State's winning right now, but the Lakers aren't. Lakers are not.

Nah. You're going to cry when Brown dies?

Mark, $4.50 a month.

There's a hundred of us. That's literally what me versus a gorilla would look like. They don't know what they're doing.

Jon Jones.

Strategically, fuck this. I would definitely pick a heavyweight. You need something with like, you need skill.

He's throwing all five of you.

Bro.

Hey, yeah.

Yeah, he's like, get out of here.

Yo, LaMelo.

Put that phone down.

It's Michael Jordan!

Yeah, I have seen that. Jordan just bangs every shot.

one where Chris Paul tried to cover his eyes, resulting in all the campers going home.

And everyone's just like, cringiest shit ever? Like.

This boy's like, ooh, I like that.

Wait, no. It wasn't that bad.

It wasn't that bad. No Harry Potter.

Oh!

He checks into the game after. It's so great.

LeBron likes this. No, he does not. He's plotting right now.

250, 249.

Once they stop saying stuff.

He's got wheels.

Listen, man, I used to do this part of the podcast and I used to get all this gas in the comments. But recently, I'm not seeing any gas. So I'm going to stop doing them if I will put somebody else on these. If you guys don't start gassing me up. But anyway, let's talk about Rocket Money. It is a perfect time to start saving money. I know you like your bread, your cash money, your moolah.

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I swear to God. I'm just sending them into shit. How are they 5,000 pounds? Am I tripping? That's a good point.

I swear to God. I'm just sending them into shit. How are we?

We turn now to what immigration officials are calling an administrative error. That error sent Kilmar Abreu Garcia, a protected legal resident in the United States, to a prison in El Salvador last month.

As Judge J. Harvey Wilkinson, the legendary conservative Reagan appointee on the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals, noted in a remarkable ruling today, the government asserts that Obrega-Garcia is a terrorist and a member of MS-13. Perhaps. Perhaps not. Regardless, he is still entitled to due process.

This should be shocking, not only to judges, but to the intuitive sense of liberty that Americans far removed from courthouses still hold dear.

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Wie fühlt es sich an, hier zu sein? Es fühlt sich nicht wirklich an. Ich bin einfach so gespannt, hier in Person zu sein.

Winter Magic. Winter Magic.

I'm not saying I want someone to die. So what are you saying? Well, I'm saying if someone's already dead, I would like to be the person who finds the body. That's weird, man. Okay, you know how in cop shows there's usually a cold open? Cold open. The first scene before the main title. Right.

Okay, so for a couple of minutes, you follow this random character who you've never met, who's not one of the leads. And part of you is thinking, why am I even watching this guy? Why are you watching this guy? You're watching because either he's about to get killed, or... Or? Have you seriously never seen a cop show? How is that even possible?

Yeah.

Hell yeah, we be cooking.

Right.

Yeah.

As you should. Y'all never gave me none.

How do you know?

Yeah.

Right.

Right.

Yeah. Yeah. They don't.

Yeah.

He's talking about y'all going to have to take care of niggas.

You know what I mean? You are so crazy. Let's think about Slim.

Marriage take a little more.

He don't kill. He don't try. He do not share.

Yeah.

Thanks, Cleo.

Last year, Hooters closed dozens of restaurants because of rising food and labor costs.

It's been a rough week for your retirement account, your friend who imports products from China for the TikTok shop and also Hooters. Hooters has now filed for bankruptcy, but they say they are not going anywhere.

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The stakes were huge in terms of the dollar potential of building a plutonium economy. I'm glad they didn't build a plutonium economy, but that was on the table.

I just want the world to know that she wasn't crazy. She didn't go out and do something. I loved her to pieces, and it killed me when she died. And I miss her ever since. But she was a good woman. She's got a good heart.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Mm hmm.

Yeah.

The story we were telling was a beautiful story of things going right.

This is Fun Food.

OK, the weird part is, like, fun, sexy, vegan?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Of course it was. It felt glorious. It was a glorious day.

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah.

Right.

Yeah.

Wow.

This is real.

Exactly. Who cares about poop?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Damn.

No.

I want the same flavors and faunas and floras for days in a row. And then I'm good for a month. I'm a food repeater, but then it's a hard no. And I need something. Give me something. Do my brows. Do something else.

Scramble with buttermilk. Okay. Salt and pepper. Okay. Toast, white or sourdough toast with butter. And then like a potato scramble, potatoes, onions, and like red, green peppers.

fuck okay for lunch what is it a chicken a fake chicken sandwich okay with um what's the thin so it's bread like a bun and then it's a spicy chicken patty fake chicken patty okay with like melted cheese on it um lettuce and like jalapenos sprinkled on it because i love spicy

Do you blow ass immediately? Oh yeah.

The tweakers like the caffeine. The tweakers like the smoking and the Red Bull.

I love caramel.

Yes.

I would never... I would, I would never, I would never make any excuses for that or imagine that to mean anything differently than what it like. What?

So Leland who writes music for drag race sent me this. This is so amazing. So this is a reel that is like this, these people, I'm going to say who they are. I'll tell you who they are. Who are they? Please. Whenever I'm trying to look for a video, I feel like Drop Dead Gorgeous when Brittany Murphy's like, Lady Liberty keeps her flame burning bright.

She's trying to light the birthday cake on the Barbie doll. It's fierce. The birthday candle. Hold on. Leland sent me this and it is the cuntiest thing I've ever seen in my life. It is every girl group challenge on RuPaul's Drag Race. It is these two creators.

We were all rooting for you. Exactly. So I was like, wow, this is as bad as she's because I, you tend to get whipped up. Yeah. This is as bad as she said.

Where is that award?

There's like an hour plus for them to come get me. So I had to get out, shovel out the exhaust so you don't carbon monoxide yourself. And then I peed in a bottle.

Too cold.

I don't know if you think about those either.

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No.

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Everybody in the car right now, everybody outside right now. All the happy couples listening out there. Oh, man.

You just can't say it, though.

Lentil peas.

Welcome to Maxima. When we maximized.

And it was really great to watch Akiva do that, too. That was one of the funniest things I've ever seen.

Yes.

Indeed.

You know, there's a lot going on. Like, I don't know if you guys know this, but there's literally a floating island of garbage in the middle of the ocean right now. Yeah. I think it's called Puerto Rico.

Is there a director's cut that you do swear by? Blade Runner.

Okay.

When they're cracking each other up.

Oh, my God.

Must love dogs.

The Air Bud, you know, complete works.

Homer Bound, The Incredible Journey.

I'm sure somebody is being served a dog's homework bar.

Try to walk. Try to walk.

She said it's something her, like, dad used to do. It's like a funny walk her dad used to do, and they all learned how to do it as kids. It just kills me. Yeah.

This is not my favorite Christopher Guest movies. Spinal Tap? Waiting for Guffman is my favorite just because I did a lot of theater.

Yeah. My favorite thing about this is I like that it's as much a relationship movie as it is you know because we're like checking in all these people and we're like are they going to be okay?

After all this after everything that happens here is everything going to be okay? Totally. It is surprising. What about you? What's your favorite thing?

Higgins is so good.

when Cookie's out there and he's like she looks familiar like he's just got he's just sliding stuff single best recurring through line of the movie that was the that's the other thing that kills me it's so good that was the other thing that I thought was so impressive when I read that ringer post was that they were looking at nothing when they were doing all of that commentary that they recorded all the commentary stuff in one day yeah and that the whole arena was empty and it was just Christopher Guest describing what they would be looking at at any given moment

Trevor Jackwith. Jim Piddock as the straight man.

He had to like film everything in eight hours. Fred Willard is amazing, but re-watching it, I was just like, I was watching Jim the whole time because it was just like his just micro escalation of frustration and annoyance masked in like British politeness.

And it's also when did when did Dodgeball come out? Just like a couple years after.

Just like like so just like thinking about the the color commentary comedy bit in both of those movies, I think really had a lot of mileage.

That sounds, that's my brain. I think. Sounds right to me.

Good way to judge a woman. Have her run away. He's like, I'm used to that. I'm more used to them running away.

That's a movie that I was quoting for years before I saw it.

Like a proto-meme. Yeah. Yes.

Same. And then, of course, Princess Bride. He kills in Princess Bride.

It wasn't the right fit for him.

Not enough character? Well, not every movie can be Crash. Roger Ebert's favorite movie of that year.

It was his favorite movie of that year, is what he said.

This is actually, this is the only thing that's easy for me. Really? Yeah.

No, we need to do species. Sheesh. What do you mean?

Hundreds. It's the pan down to the two left feet.

And he's going to have to do that little loop to turn Winky around at the end. But still. They said that they wrote complex backstories for all of them. So even though they're improving this movie, they have like the full backstory.

You can take the membranes off.

And then the photo. Another flash to a great photo.

Sensational.

I think I really like Waiting for Guffman and A Mighty Wind.

And he's got his little bleach tips and, like, a little ponytail in front. And he's doing, like, his thing with his... Oh, my God.

This is a huge moment for Jennifer Coolidge comedian, right? Because she had already done American Pie, but like this was a completely different mode and level for her. She's incredible at this.

I think so, too. I would put Guffman in there.

I also love the, like, web of, you know, Christopher Guest is a staple of actors, but I like that he recruits from, like, she does American Pie with Eugene Levy, and Eugene Levy's like, you gotta meet Jennifer Coolidge. Do you know what I mean?

No, no, no.

Is it?

I think this is a really good pick.

This is what I, I don't like this sequence. I know.

Yeah, do it.

Oh, Zach's great.

Get down here.

It doesn't surprise me, Mallory, that this is one of your favorite. It's not my pick, but I do love.

Jesus. Very memorable. I think I prefer the other ones who just randomly come across them in the wild.

Or in the recording studio at the end. That one's the best. All of that stuff is really good. Great stuff.

Yeah.

Yeah. The party's over when it melts.

Yeah. That's our pod counter. Should we do a ringer party? Yeah. And do an ice sculpture and when it melts, the party's over?

Inside the crate, yeah.

is it that or is it her with Ed Begley Jr.

But it was great Parker Posey preview for White Lotus.

I think that also on the Christy Cummings, Jane Lynch front, Michael McKean and John Michael Higgins, their reaction watching it on TV, not even before the kiss. Just sort of like... Mocking her outfit. Oil rig.

Honestly, this is like of the like star dogs in this. Yeah.

I love Kicking and Screaming.

Daytrippers.

It's really between Hubert and Winky, right? You don't want a Shih Tzu. Yeah. You don't want Rhapsody. Rhapsody is frankly the villain of the movie. Yeah. And you don't want Beatrice.

The makeup is impeccable. How about when he walks out and he's got the perfect stage thing?

You can tell he has actually mastered the technique. Yeah. That he won. He had to, like, sub in for someone. And then he just won the competition.

Yeah.

Most rewatchable scene. The whole movie.

That's what I love about the Trevor character. That's his breaking point. That's the meanest he gets. You said that last year.

The way that all the musical, I mean, I know they started with Spinal Tap, but the way that all the musical stuff in here feels like an audition for Mighty Wind, which is another perfect film.

Mallory's like, don't try me, I've got the lyrics.

But do you think Beatrice landed at a better home?

And then Jerry's just like, that's it. That's it for me. I'm grown right now, girl.

They're wearing monochromatic.

Tough.

Oh, my God. Okay. Sheesh. Is it because you have a ventriloquism issue?

It's the Starbucks. It's fantastic. And the catalogs.

Didn't they have a little bit of a comeback? Yeah. I don't know why this happens to me, but sometimes if I order something online, then all of a sudden I don't get the catalog for the thing.

Have you ordered something from a catalog? Not recently.

And you give the number of the item you want? Yeah, exactly.

No question. Just as an art form. As a genre, yeah.

Honestly, just everything. Yeah. I mean, I know that's like a bullshit answer, but I just couldn't single anything out because the whole movie's perfect.

No.

I think it also just like launched people's interest in dog shows in general. Yeah. You know what I mean? The way that like Spelling Bee documentaries launched that, you know.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I can't believe they actually used the farm line on you.

Is he happier on the farm?

And you're like, wow.

Well, the kitchen's right next door, so don't worry about it. It's fine.

Yeah, it's great.