Vera Bergen-Gruen
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first heard Apr 2025
last heard Apr 2025
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The head of the NSA and his deputy and some other national security officials suddenly were gone. And she has taken credit for it. You know, she's been saying, you know, pretty not subtly, she's been kind of taking credit for having raised these people to the president's attention.
The White House hasn't confirmed that it was directly connected, but, you know, it seems pretty obvious that something happened there.
So the head of the NSA was an Air Force general called Timothy Hawk. And he and his deputy were not people who were prone to go after Trump online or have any public statements where they're necessarily, you know, opposing him by any means.
Her problem seems to have been that he had been in previous administrations and that he was some kind of deep state official who was opposing, you know, Trump's agenda.
This is part of a longstanding suspicion among a lot of Trump supporters that people within the government are working against him and trying to make it harder for him to get his goals done. So these two people, again, career officials, not exactly well-known names or flashy people, and they were just gone after she met with President Trump.
I'm sure there's a lot of people in Trump's own inner circle who are wondering that because there's no lack of people who are being kind of flagged as people who should be fired, right? We had signal gauge. We had, you know, war chats. We've had so many things in the last couple of weeks.
And it was pretty surprising to have someone like Laura Loomer come in and, again, apparently have the kind of influence to get someone fired who wasn't exactly on most people's radar. And another thing to remember is that she had tried to get hired by the Trump campaign. And a lot of people around him, including Susie Wiles, who is now his chief of staff,
You know, people in this campaign thought that was a really bad idea and made sure to freeze her out. And she still seems to always warm her way back in because Trump likes people like her. Trump likes people who are offensive and brash and really supportive of him. And so he tends to call her, you know, a wonderful person. Laura, how are you? You look so beautiful, as always.
He thinks that his base likes her and that she says a lot of things publicly that he can say. Right. There's a big jump between that. And as I said, having someone even come into the White House and then having the discussion at the White House be, you know, who should get fired by this 31-year-old online influencer.
Not that we know of, but we know that she really, really wants one. She's been very blunt, almost begging. I mean, it's not subtle. On Twitter, every couple of days, how badly she wants to be, quote-unquote, vetting people. Vetting, vetting, vetting. And what we do know is that she tried to get hired by the transition.
Once Trump won the election, they were hiring all these people for his new administration. And she kind of saw her opening and tried to promote herself as someone who could be doing this, quote-unquote, vetting. And again, she's tried to establish this reputation of, She also calls herself a journalist. That's kind of important to remember. She tends to put a lot of screenshots on Twitter.
They're all highlighted.
I mean, everyone had thought that when Elon Musk walked into the NSA with his Doge guys, you know, that was game over. There was going to be some huge problem, mass layoffs. And, you know, they left and nothing major happened.
And no one could really have imagined that it would be Laura Loomer, of all people, this person that I'm sure most of them have never heard of, who would actually get the head of their agency fired. But, you know, it's unclear whether she specifically had her sights on these people for any particular reason or because they were more high profile people.
You know, again, it's important to remember just the level of distrust that intelligence agencies hold, you know, in the imagination of the MAGA faithful as people who are working from within the government who have all, you know, have all this information. And in their view, since the first administration, we're trying to, you know, work against President Trump.
And there's just a lot of distrust when it comes to that.
The NSA is in charge of just as a broad portfolio. It works obviously on cybersecurity. It collects a lot of intelligence, foreign communications. And it's a national security agency that provides all of this in order to, you know, to the president and to share with other agencies in order to make national security decisions.
And, you know, it's been in the crosshairs in recent years, you know, for collecting information on Americans. It's always been kind of seen as this potentially creepy eavesdropping agency. So, you know, ever since the Edward Snowden days.
So, you know, that's probably part of the reason that it has this association in Americans' minds. But again, for the people on President Trump, they have so much distrust of intelligence agencies, of intelligence officials who they think are, you know, spying on the president, trying to get him.
Ultimately, it's an agency that's responsible for intelligence gathering and sharing with foreign allies. And, you know, there's really no reason that someone like Laura Loomer, again, would know whether someone would be a traitor to the president, what that would look like.
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