Viet Thanh Nguyen

And now we're actually watching it happen in real time.

We're seeing the mechanisms being built, both the political and legal mechanisms, but also the cultural mechanisms that get people, some portion of the people, to agree that this should be done.

So I have hope that recent surveys indicate that now two-thirds to three-quarters of American people are saying, actually, immigration is good.

for this country.

They're having a reaction against the brutality that we're seeing on screen.

I don't have to repeat what those... But you're offended by them, right?

I'm deeply offended.

It's inhumane and blunt, as you said.

And I'm horrified by a few other reasons.

I think many people who watch these images obviously are horrified for the same reasons that I am and maybe you are.

But I also see it as a historical horror.

Like I said, this has happened before.

So Americans who are saying this is not who we are, I'm sorry.

This is exactly who we are.

We've done this through the generations to many, many generations.

different populations, thrown them into concentration camps, deported them without due process, tortured them, killed them.

We have done this many times throughout American history.

The other thing that offends me, however, is people like Cubans and Vietnamese people who came here as refugees

saying this is good.

Okay.