Vince Chan
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And for them, that's uncomfortable.
Now, you've written a book called The Book of Change. You also hold a doctoral degree in organizational change. So I imagine you've studied a wide range of change models. Obviously, we don't have time to go through all of them here. You probably need a full course just to do that. But I'd love to get your quick take. From your perspective and your studies, how have these models evolved over time?
Has the way we think about change stayed more or less the same over the years? Or has it shifted drastically? Feel free to connect this with what you mentioned earlier. about employees being part of the solution? Or what happens when there is resistance, even in personal change? Has the approach to change itself changed?
So let me try to recap, and you tell me if I got it right. You were saying that in modern history, starting from the 20th century, a lot of the current models still trace back to Kurt Lewin's work, the classic three-step model. And since then, most of the newer models basically follow a similar structure.
three, maybe five stages moving from where you are now to where you want to be with some kind of transition or shift happening in between. So would it be fair to say that even with all the new frameworks, the core idea hasn't changed all that much since Kurt Lewin?
So stakeholder, basically managing the stakeholder perspective, the involvement there, their needs, their concerns. Is that what you mean?
You have developed a new model. What's the name of it?
Yeah, I was just about to ask you about your model. You mentioned that it's built on Kurt Lewin's three-step change framework. I'm curious, how is your model different from his? or even from the other models out there. Give us an overview. How does your model work? What makes it similar to the classics? And what makes it stand out?
So back to your model mentioned is people sustained. So while it includes the classic three stages, you've also built in several other steps and actions. What are they? Can you walk us through those? How do they come together in your model?
That's it for today. We've heard how Richard stumbled into consulting, survived a time-tracking nightmare, and started seeing patterns in all the wrong problems. But next, we get into the real playbook. The book of change. Why 39 steps might not be too many. and the human stuff consultants usually skip. See you in part two. Thank you so much for joining us today.
If you like what you heard, don't forget, subscribe to our show, leave us top-rated reviews, check out our website, and follow me on social media. I'm Vince Chen, your ambitious human host. Until next time, take care.
Hi, everyone. Welcome to our show, Chief Change Officer. I'm Vince Chen, your ambitious human host. Our show is a modernist humility for change progressives in organizational and human transformation from around the world. Today's guest is Nora Chow, fellow Yale alum, former fund manager, and someone whose journey mirrors mind in more ways than one.
We are both from Hong Kong, shaped by the same family and societal expectations to chase money, business, and brand names. We followed the expected path, elite schools, big careers, but eventually stepped away from the weight of titles, status, and what we were supposed to want. In this two-part series,
Nora shares how she returned to music, launched her new album, Referees on Ivory, and built a life that sounds like her, not someone else's script. From headphones to harmonies, this is a story about dropping the labels and choosing the nooks that matter. Let's get into it. The way I see it, for a period of time, your head led the way.
You let your heart stay in the background, not ignored, but quieter, still beating, still alive. You didn't silence it, but you asked it to wait while you focused on logic, on what made sense at the time. And then as life changed, maybe your heart changed too, and you decided it was the time to let it lead a little more, to let it take center stage.
You are still the same Nora with sharp analytical skills, skills you developed in finance, skills you will still need as you undertake new endeavors. You are just choosing to use those skills differently now to support something more personal, more meaningful. So while you've shifted into using your artistic side to help transform lives, I see it as you finally giving your heart the spotlight.
But your head is still right there, backing it up.
Yeah, I must say the world we live in now feels broken, fermented. and honestly, depressed. That's why we're facing this huge crisis of loneliness and mental unwellness. And music, when I say music, I don't just mean classical. It could be pop, jazz, or whatever speaks to someone. It's such a powerful force to help us heal. Even in small ways, it can stabilize our emotions
Bring us back to ourselves. Hopefully. Let's go back to your music venture for a moment. You got a mission, but what about the actions? You compose? You perform? What else are you doing as part of this work?
Now you just published your new album, Referees on Ivory, which to me is like publishing a book. I just listened to it. I really like it. Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if one day when my show gets bigger, I come to you and say, Nora, I want to commission you to write all the background music for the show. The intro, the outro, the whole soundtrack.
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