Vinnie Penn

And I'd be like, during his pro-life segment on the show?

Yeah.

Uh, so it took me a few months to realize, oh, you're not really a fan of what he's doing in there, but I loved what you were doing in there.

And I never exacted that again.

Clearly both.

Why?

I would imagine Ricky would echo that sentiment.

Surely I can speak for Stu.

I'm not a madman.

I know exactly what I'm doing.

Mad with genius.

And you know I think that.

Although I will say, and it's also in the book, when you were...

began struggling with the genre because you were talking about the ministry for a while and I'm like I can't you know I kept trying to reign you in and like do you realize how great we've got it like this is a fun game we have fun every day you had this new romance she would ultimately become your wife this great chapter in your life wonderful family and I couldn't get you to see how great we had it and you're like you know maybe it's talk radio that I need

to be doing, and I'm like, oh yeah, because that's really cool.

Uh...

You know, and I believe I honestly do believe that you're the reason there are Joe Rogan's today.

There are there are there are a litany of Glenn Beck.

I hesitate to say wannabes.

They're all doing it their own way.