Vinnie Penn

We want to get equipment in the studio so that people at home can watch us.

They could dial up on their desktops and watch us do a radio show at home.

And I said, all right, I'll back you up on that.

Management resisted, but caved.

And really, that's 1997.

And you wanted people to see you doing a radio show.

Now, I think they're called podcasts and they're like one of the biggest things in the world right now.

Did we actually do that?

You absolutely, in 1997, that's how certain key players came into our fold.

Young guys who were really tech savvy.

You might recall Bob Caldarella.

And I remember thinking, we're never going to be at an appearance where any of these wonderful women I'm meeting are going to say, I was watching the show this morning and being surprised.

The number wasn't great, but it was large enough that I thought, geez, he was right.

People will like...

Dial up.

Watch it.

That's why, Glenn, I would love to get your thoughts on AI because as I struggle with it, I'm thinking Beck's probably got a really interesting view on AI.

You know, I don't want to come across as a Luddite.

occasionally I've got to embrace all of this technology, but I kick and scream into much of it.

And you were always the opposite.