Vinny Perth

But the difference now in the last number of years is that sort of safety net of European Conference League.

And UEFA have been very fair to nations like Ireland.

It's a great money spinner for us.

Obviously, it's been a huge help to Shamrock Rovers and Shelbourne of last year.

So when you're the champions of Ireland, I think...

You shouldn't say you should be, because you can always get a raw draw where somebody comes out of a nation that's really strong but has a really low seed and you can be unlucky.

But the champions of Ireland should now, I think, it'd be a disappointment if Shamrock Rovers aren't minimum in group stages again this year.

I think the champions should be there.

I think they will be.

The draw is very favourable to them.

The reason it is, by the way, is because they're so good in Europe, they've built up such a strong coefficient.

So that's the rewards of the form in the last number of years in Europe.

So I hope they chase Europa League, but they need a little bit of luck in that round three, round four draw for that.

The seed won't be as strong when that time comes.

So here goes.

It's a good draw for Shells, isn't it, Ben?

I thought Steve-O wasn't here this week, Garrett, because you had a few words for him after last week's... The 4-1 defeat wasn't enough.

Gareth, just on Conor Barr, I know he scored that unbelievable goal, but he's being well talked up, isn't he, in Derry?

You obviously see him a lot closer than us down here.

What is it that makes him, or people are speaking so highly of him?