Vinny Perth

but they've just been searching all season long played with a back four they've they've tried the back four people have sort of said it's funny gareth's played a lot more recently i did you know when when you go up to dr now all week coaches players management you're all expecting set pieces be ready for second phase and you can say well why weren't you expecting that last year

you were to a point but it just comes a point where people go right we've got to deal with this and you work and work all week on it and it's we withdraw with the trees and the house used to leave it wasn't often the force cross that came into the box it was the way they kept it alive so i'm not saying teams have i've sought to suss them out but there will be an element of that uh with going on you know you want to pick up from that at that point

Yeah, apologies, Ben.

I keep getting cut off.

It must be me, South African links I'm on at the moment.

Apologies.

That's what happens when you're at a World Cup co-con.

That's what that is.

come here that game was really really good on Friday I thought Shells were excellent we've been saying all year long all of us on the pod about Shells getting better as the season goes on I think Meepo coming back from injury was huge for them he was brilliant on the counter attack yes Robertson probably felt that he controlled the game for a lot of periods he had

But for me, they lacked a little bit of cutting edge and they can do that every so often.

But taking it away from Shells, they were really controlled, very good on the counter-attack.

There's no doubt.

We didn't think it'd be this much, to be honest, which I think I'm surprised how much it's affected them.

But Pico Lopez is missing.

They're not winning enough games without him.

Just need to be careful now over the next couple of weeks that they concentrate and win the next few games.

Because, albeit no one's putting them under real pressure, Pat's had a good win the other day.

They're still sitting top of the table.

And they've lost, correct me if I'm wrong, but have they lost five games already this season?

If not, not more so.