Vivian Tu

And even if they did, they would be doing things on the path versus stuff off the beaten path that lets them live like a local.

I would say something that people struggle with realizing is that these changes you'll have to make, they're not permanent.

They're only temporary.

And you are going to be uncomfortable.

It's not going to be fun.

And I am very anti, cut out the avocado toast, don't buy the coffee, rah-rah, okay?

I am.

Yeah.

But if you are in a truly a dark, dark hole and there's no ladder to crawl out.

Cut it out.

Like you literally have to cut it out.

You have to make some temporary changes that are very uncomfortable.

And to your point, like we focus so much on cutting out every single little discretionary cost

Do you know how hard it is to cut out $5,000 worth of expenses?

Do you know how easy it is to ask for a $5,000 raise?

A $5,000 raise happens every single day.

Like, that is par for the course.

That's not anything special.

Cutting out $5,000, do you have any coffees you have to cut out?

Do you know how many meals you can't go out to?