Wade Foster

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"The Cognitive Revolution" · No Code Is Code: Zapier CEO Wade Foster on Headless Tools, Zapier MCP & Automation Bench · 17 Sep 2026 podcast

uh more readily available than it was in the past.

Now what's not as obvious to me is

Yes it can build it?

But should you have it build it, because now you're accepting a certain amount of maintenance, a certain amount of reliability, a certain amount of uptime that

you know, may not actually be like the best thing for you in a given circumstance.

And so I actually think there's still a lot of innovation to happen at that application layer that we just haven't seen yet.

I think everyone's kind of try to figure out what that looks like.

I think the the model companies have a little bit of a head start, but they're gonna struggle because they can't sell tokens from each other or from open source or all that sort of thing.

And so th it does feel like there needs to be a third party that helps you

Wrangle all the capabilities that are out there.

You bet.

Yeah, what automation bench matters is tasks that are kind of like the following.

So here's an example from our site.

We just closed the Meridian Core platform deal, uh, market it as one and route it to the win notice in the right team per a routing policy, confirm the account tier from the account hierarchy spreadsheet, convert the currencies if needed, and check for any open support escalations.

So we have probably six hundred tasks that are of that variety that describe like a normal knowledge work workflow y tasks across the very variety of disciplines, marketing, sales, HR, operations, you name it, et cetera.

So that's kind of what it's trying to measure.

And as you can see, the models are getting better at it, but this is by no means a saturated benchmark yet.

And what we are doing at Zapier is we are making sure that when you install Zapier alongside of your agent, that you're actually getting better output on these benchmarks than you would if you were just using the models alone.

And the reason you do that is you're teaching the model what folks are doing is they're in their daily driver and they're saying, hey, I want you to go build a workflow.

So they're calling Zap your MCP and it's gonna say, hey, I'm gonna go build out that workflow.

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