Wayne Hsiung

Justin, he told us like this case points at this shift in the way we see and therefore like the law will see animals.

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What happened to the piglets, Lily and Lizzie?

Yeah, so after Wayne took them from the farm, he brought them to this, like, sanctuary where they were nursed back to health.

And kind of bizarrely, some months after the trial, the jurors, they actually went to go visit them, like Justin invited them to do that.

Last time we had seen them, I mean, you know, teeny tiny little piglets, like a mango.

Little teeny thing.

We were just amazed to see these.

Anyway, the thing that really stood out that they said was this one little detail about how they looked.

Their skin is so white.

They're white.

It's just this feature of this breed that's really common in big farms.

But what that meant for them is that they basically couldn't go in the sun without getting sunburned.

Yeah.

And I just have this image stuck in my head of Lily and Lizzie, these like two giant pigs with like paper white skin laying in the shade of a tree on this farm so they don't get sunburned.

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