Wendy Zuckerman

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This episode was produced by me, Wendy Zuckerman and Rose Rimler with help from Aketi Foster-Keys, Meryl Horne and Michelle Dang.

We're edited by Blythe Terrell.

I'm the executive producer.

Fact-checking by Erica Akiko Howard.

Mix and sound design by Bobby Lord.

Music written by Buma Hidaka, Peter Leonard, Emma Munger and Bobby Lord.

Thank you so much to the Australian Science Media Centre for all your help with this episode.

Also, thank you to the scientists who responded to our emails on this.

Oh, my gosh, some of you wrote the most lovely and thoughtful emails.

We really appreciate you responding to us.

A big thanks to Joseph Lavelle Wilson and the Zuckerman family.

I'm Wendy Zuckerman.

Back to you next time.

You know, it's kind of like...

Do you need to watch seven seasons of Young Sheldon or Star Wars The Phantom Menace?

I think the more painful is Young Sheldon because seven seasons.

Either way, you don't have to do it.

You could do other things with your time.