Wendy Zuckerman

Then it can somehow get that response going.

It just triggers that response, yeah.

In Bonk, you visit a dildo manufacturing store which had the model of an anus, which was based on a porn star.

And in your book, you have in Caps Lock, the guy's showing you around this factory and he goes, you know, yeah, you have an anus in Caps Lock.

Right.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's interesting having, you know, yeah, reported on a bunch of different sex topics, how I had thought we were so much more advanced than we are, you know, but they still say it's so hard to get funding.

It's so hard to be taken seriously.

Yeah.

Now, your last chapter of Bonk opens with this line.

When I began this book, I harbored a naive fantasy that I would find a team of scientists working to discover the secret to amazing mind-rippling sex.

So, Mary, what's the closest you got?

You wrote that they did watch the couples having sex with –

They did, yeah.

With stopwatches and Tata charts, as you wrote.

Yeah, are you right that the best sex, which was being had by committed gay and lesbian couples, they took their time, they lost themselves in each other, moved slowly, lingered.

Yep.

So that's if you're in a relationship with someone with different genitals to yours, there's ways to overcome this empathy gap with communication, I suppose.

To cap us off, we have a lightning round of oddball questions.