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Yeah. Oh, sorry. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Right. And, and, uh, well, that's really good to hear that background piece of it. Um, and, and, uh, uh, I totally agree with, with that. And so we had gotten to the place where I had said to Rhonda, do you feel like I'm really getting what's going on for you and how you're feeling?

Yeah. Oh, sorry. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Right. And, and, uh, well, that's really good to hear that background piece of it. Um, and, and, uh, uh, I totally agree with, with that. And so we had gotten to the place where I had said to Rhonda, do you feel like I'm really getting what's going on for you and how you're feeling?

And, and, um, uh, at that point we, we had really reached that point of, of invitation and, uh, uh, You know that she's told me about this driving phobia and how limiting it's been for her and her life in general and and how much she's really struggling with this at this point because of the pandemic and not driving and that.

And, and, um, uh, at that point we, we had really reached that point of, of invitation and, uh, uh, You know that she's told me about this driving phobia and how limiting it's been for her and her life in general and and how much she's really struggling with this at this point because of the pandemic and not driving and that.

Is this a good time to start our work and kind of roll up our sleeves or is there. more that she would like to really share with me and let me know about and get support around. And Rhonda, of course, being the good therapist that she is, she picked right up. All right, let's get to it. And so we – which would be the next step of this would be the specificity.

Is this a good time to start our work and kind of roll up our sleeves or is there. more that she would like to really share with me and let me know about and get support around. And Rhonda, of course, being the good therapist that she is, she picked right up. All right, let's get to it. And so we – which would be the next step of this would be the specificity.

Rhonda, can you tell me about a specific moment in time that either in the recent past or sometime in the near future that really captures your driving phobia and your anxiety? And Rhonda was right away able to identify – maybe you could share, Rhonda, what –

Rhonda, can you tell me about a specific moment in time that either in the recent past or sometime in the near future that really captures your driving phobia and your anxiety? And Rhonda was right away able to identify – maybe you could share, Rhonda, what –

Yeah. Yeah. Right. And there was a particular part of that drive that became the real issue. There were several parts, but one that really drove the issue and became a big focus of our anxiety hierarchy, which we'll talk about a little bit later. Yeah. Yeah, and that had to do with this particular overpass from the 580 to the 24, and that was a very scary event.

Yeah. Yeah. Right. And there was a particular part of that drive that became the real issue. There were several parts, but one that really drove the issue and became a big focus of our anxiety hierarchy, which we'll talk about a little bit later. Yeah. Yeah, and that had to do with this particular overpass from the 580 to the 24, and that was a very scary event.

And I think your line was, it just absolutely freaks me out.

And I think your line was, it just absolutely freaks me out.

Right. Yeah. Yeah. And again, more empathy about how scary that feels as you're driving over these curvy overpasses. And at that point, really, we launched into the daily mood log and began to focus on, of course, the specific moment in time, the upsetting event. which would be driving to and from the intensive, not only by driving but having passengers in the car.

Right. Yeah. Yeah. And again, more empathy about how scary that feels as you're driving over these curvy overpasses. And at that point, really, we launched into the daily mood log and began to focus on, of course, the specific moment in time, the upsetting event. which would be driving to and from the intensive, not only by driving but having passengers in the car.

It was myself and Lee Flowers and Heather at one point, right? Was Lee staying at your house too?

It was myself and Lee Flowers and Heather at one point, right? Was Lee staying at your house too?

Oh, how cool.

Oh, how cool.

Yeah. And so we began to do the daily mood log, of course, what kind of feelings. We developed all the different feelings in terms of the level of anxiety and, and, uh, uh, different, different emotions. So the sadness was rated at 15 and anxious, I'm sorry, 25 and anxious. Uh, I need new glasses here. Uh, anxious and frightened, panicky was all at a hundred. Um, uh, guilty.

Yeah. And so we began to do the daily mood log, of course, what kind of feelings. We developed all the different feelings in terms of the level of anxiety and, and, uh, uh, different, different emotions. So the sadness was rated at 15 and anxious, I'm sorry, 25 and anxious. Uh, I need new glasses here. Uh, anxious and frightened, panicky was all at a hundred. Um, uh, guilty.