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No, it's not. Thank you for pointing that out. Yeah, the acceptance paradox is huge, right? Because Instead of arguing with these fears and with these judgments, I'm accepting that part of myself, but then shifting into a very different place with compassion and caring. Exactly.

No, it's not. Thank you for pointing that out. Yeah, the acceptance paradox is huge, right? Because Instead of arguing with these fears and with these judgments, I'm accepting that part of myself, but then shifting into a very different place with compassion and caring. Exactly.

I'm wondering, and maybe this is not on target, but I'm wondering if somehow addressing the dumb part instead of using that judgment piece and seeing what I can say instead of I'm dumb, perhaps it would be something, well, it's true that I'm still really struggling with this driving phobia, but that doesn't make me dumb, right? Yeah. Right.

I'm wondering, and maybe this is not on target, but I'm wondering if somehow addressing the dumb part instead of using that judgment piece and seeing what I can say instead of I'm dumb, perhaps it would be something, well, it's true that I'm still really struggling with this driving phobia, but that doesn't make me dumb, right? Yeah. Right.

Yeah. Yeah, that's that's I have to acknowledge that that's true. I have a little bias there. And yeah, I mean, I didn't like that.

Yeah. Yeah, that's that's I have to acknowledge that that's true. I have a little bias there. And yeah, I mean, I didn't like that.

I can't wait to get up there at the end of the month.

I can't wait to get up there at the end of the month.

No, go ahead. Yeah, so the anxiety hierarchy was really, at least in terms of beginning the exposure work, I think that even developing the anxiety hierarchy was critical. By the way, there were a couple of other methods that we used also, and one of them was examine the evidence. And when I read your example, David, and when panic attacks, it's very similar. What number of

No, go ahead. Yeah, so the anxiety hierarchy was really, at least in terms of beginning the exposure work, I think that even developing the anxiety hierarchy was critical. By the way, there were a couple of other methods that we used also, and one of them was examine the evidence. And when I read your example, David, and when panic attacks, it's very similar. What number of

bridges have actually collapsed or destabilized because people drove across them today and, or even within the last week. And, and so examining the evidence in, in, in that fashion, or how many accidents have you caused in the last year, Rhonda and, and, uh, lost control of your vehicle, right? So examining the evidence on that level also became helpful in moving through this.

bridges have actually collapsed or destabilized because people drove across them today and, or even within the last week. And, and so examining the evidence in, in, in that fashion, or how many accidents have you caused in the last year, Rhonda and, and, uh, lost control of your vehicle, right? So examining the evidence on that level also became helpful in moving through this.

And then shifting into the anxiety hierarchy. And I like to do these in tremendous detail. And we chose that specific moment in time of driving from Rhonda's house to the South San Francisco Convention Center for the intensive. And

And then shifting into the anxiety hierarchy. And I like to do these in tremendous detail. And we chose that specific moment in time of driving from Rhonda's house to the South San Francisco Convention Center for the intensive. And

And then more importantly is driving home from there because it would be late in the day and dark, and there was another curvy overpass that was going to be part of that picture. And so when we ran through this, it's about a 25-item hierarchy. And about 12, 14 items driving to the conference center and then another 10 or 12 returning. And all the scores were incredibly high at 75.

And then more importantly is driving home from there because it would be late in the day and dark, and there was another curvy overpass that was going to be part of that picture. And so when we ran through this, it's about a 25-item hierarchy. And about 12, 14 items driving to the conference center and then another 10 or 12 returning. And all the scores were incredibly high at 75.

So preparing to leave for South San Francisco at 75, backing out of the driveway and heading down the street, 40. Driving down Boulevard 30, it's a familiar street for Rhonda, and changing lanes to get onto the bridge, 45, and then it starts picking up, curving around the overpass to get to the toll plaza 7.

So preparing to leave for South San Francisco at 75, backing out of the driveway and heading down the street, 40. Driving down Boulevard 30, it's a familiar street for Rhonda, and changing lanes to get onto the bridge, 45, and then it starts picking up, curving around the overpass to get to the toll plaza 7.

Yeah. And then later as we go, you know, it's late when we leave the intensive at 830 thinking about heading home when it's dark 100%. And the rest of this ends up being at 100% level. 100% plus on a lot of them. Yeah. That's true. Plus, you're absolutely right.

Yeah. And then later as we go, you know, it's late when we leave the intensive at 830 thinking about heading home when it's dark 100%. And the rest of this ends up being at 100% level. 100% plus on a lot of them. Yeah. That's true. Plus, you're absolutely right.