Wesley Huff

I'm saying, where do you get that from? And Glenn has this analogy where he says, it's like saying, where did you get your pants from? Where did you buy them? And you say, how dare you say I don't have any pants on? Like, no, no, I'm not saying you don't have any pants. Where's the source that your pants came from, Patrick? Where did you purchase them from?

I'm saying, where do you get that from? And Glenn has this analogy where he says, it's like saying, where did you get your pants from? Where did you buy them? And you say, how dare you say I don't have any pants on? Like, no, no, I'm not saying you don't have any pants. Where's the source that your pants came from, Patrick? Where did you purchase them from?

And so I think when we look at something like equality or morality or freedom and we say, okay, where is the standard by which we can actually ground these things in order to use them as the objective goods that they are for our society? Where's that coming from? Now, I can ground that as a Christian in the objectivity of scripture and in a God who does not change.

And so I think when we look at something like equality or morality or freedom and we say, okay, where is the standard by which we can actually ground these things in order to use them as the objective goods that they are for our society? Where's that coming from? Now, I can ground that as a Christian in the objectivity of scripture and in a God who does not change.

And that's where a lot of the founders of Western civilization got it from. Even if they weren't necessarily sold on Christianity wholesale, they're borrowing that from Christianity. It's the infrastructure that builds these things.

And that's where a lot of the founders of Western civilization got it from. Even if they weren't necessarily sold on Christianity wholesale, they're borrowing that from Christianity. It's the infrastructure that builds these things.

Why isn't it growing? Why has it flatlined? What has caused that? I think that should be a conviction to us who are Christians to say, well, maybe we have done a complacent job in our faith actually communicating to people why they should be submitting their lives to Jesus as their Lord and Savior. I think a number of things are going on at the same time. I think I agree with you 100%.

Why isn't it growing? Why has it flatlined? What has caused that? I think that should be a conviction to us who are Christians to say, well, maybe we have done a complacent job in our faith actually communicating to people why they should be submitting their lives to Jesus as their Lord and Savior. I think a number of things are going on at the same time. I think I agree with you 100%.

People need to be convictionally motivated to be examples, right? I've said in a number of my presentations that there are five gospels. We've talked about the first four, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. But the fifth is actually the life of the believer in that if you are a Christian, you are claiming your identity in Christ, and that is good news, euangelion. It's the gospel.

People need to be convictionally motivated to be examples, right? I've said in a number of my presentations that there are five gospels. We've talked about the first four, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. But the fifth is actually the life of the believer in that if you are a Christian, you are claiming your identity in Christ, and that is good news, euangelion. It's the gospel.

And if people are seeing you, they should be encouraged to then go back and read the other four gospels because that's where that source is going to come from. And so I think that we as Christians need to be doing a better job. And so many people are. And I'm optimistic about the church in the West. I'm optimistic about the churches I see that are... doing good things.

And if people are seeing you, they should be encouraged to then go back and read the other four gospels because that's where that source is going to come from. And so I think that we as Christians need to be doing a better job. And so many people are. And I'm optimistic about the church in the West. I'm optimistic about the churches I see that are... doing good things.

Now, that's aside from maybe the mainstream church or like larger denominational churches that are capitulating on certain issues that have been true within historical Christianity. But at the exact same time, Patrick, I think one of the other factors that needs to be incorporated in this conversation is that a worldview can be true even if all of its adherents are terrible examples of it.

Now, that's aside from maybe the mainstream church or like larger denominational churches that are capitulating on certain issues that have been true within historical Christianity. But at the exact same time, Patrick, I think one of the other factors that needs to be incorporated in this conversation is that a worldview can be true even if all of its adherents are terrible examples of it.

in that I don't think they should be terrible examples, but if you brought in a cello into this room and told me to play Beethoven and I start squeaking away on it, Your conclusion shouldn't be, wow, Beethoven, man, that music is terrible. I understand what you're saying.

in that I don't think they should be terrible examples, but if you brought in a cello into this room and told me to play Beethoven and I start squeaking away on it, Your conclusion shouldn't be, wow, Beethoven, man, that music is terrible. I understand what you're saying.

Well, if they're a good church, I think they should follow up with you, they should pursue you. But will anything happen to me? Am I in trouble?

Well, if they're a good church, I think they should follow up with you, they should pursue you. But will anything happen to me? Am I in trouble?

I'm terrible at numbers. I'm a history guy, not a math guy.

I'm terrible at numbers. I'm a history guy, not a math guy.