Whitney Pennington-Rogers

Well, you know, and I think...

Obviously, it feels like the biggest marker of how immigration is impacting things or changing things will have to do with actually our own identities and our sense of self and how migration is changing the way we think about even our own humanity.

When you see folks entering a space and this is how we define what it is to be

human and figure out who we are.

So I'm curious what you both think as far as how immigration has affected our identities and the way we think about about who we are.

And maybe, Sonia, we can start with you.

And Zeke, what have you found in this space?

How is this changing our sense of self?

Now, I think to this point, we've largely talked about the effects of migration from what feels like a positive lens, maybe some of the benefits that are not often highlighted in the media.

But I'd love to hear from both of you, because I know you both acknowledge in your work that there are some negative social effects of migration.

beyond just, you know, these positive implications.

And so what are, what are some of these major negative effects and how do you think we can work to reduce them?

So maybe Sonia, let's start with you.

And what about you, Zeke?

What have you seen as some of the negatives?

Yeah.

That's great.

And I definitely do want us to, at the end, sort of get to a place of talking about how do we redesign some of this and rethink this.

But before we even get there, I know that there's so much that you've already sort of touched on in thinking about where things are headed and how the future might unfold.

And so taking into account things like, you know, Sonia, you touched on climate change, and I know that your work in many ways is thinking about migration as a result of climate change or