Wilfred (Bill) McClay

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209 appearances 1 recordings 1 series first heard Jul 2026 last heard 2 Jul

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Radio Atlantic · American History as Rorschach Test · 2 Jul 2026 podcast

And that's a great story, too.

Oh, sure.

Well, I'm one of the people who is not convinced that he was, in fact, the father.

We could have a little debate about that, but maybe leave it at that for now, that there's an indication that there's a—and I can't even remember all the details, but there's a chromosome coming from—

a male Jefferson.

But that's as close to... The evidence that he was the father ends up being circumstantial, not really deriving from the DNA.

And I'm not persuaded by it.

So I don't take it as a given.

I'm not out there beating the drum for an alternative view.

But that's one reason I don't mention it, is that it's something I'm not entirely convinced of.

Oh, yeah, no, I think that's right, but not necessarily Thomas Jefferson.

Again, that's a separate issue that we could spend 45 minutes or more on.

But if it's questionable, then I think the argument for not including it is pretty clear.

Yeah, yeah.

I don't think that's actually true.

But on the Jefferson question, I think here's – and we're just going to have to maybe agree to disagree a little bit about this.

But I think that one of the difficulties in writing a book like this is

is that you have to constantly make judgments about what to leave in and what to leave out.

And there's many, many things, may not matter much to you, but that I would have liked to have said more about.

But think about writing an op-ed.

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