Will Saletan

There's no vacation from Trumpism, Tim. It's just everywhere you go.

There's no vacation from Trumpism, Tim. It's just everywhere you go.

There's no vacation from Trumpism, Tim. It's just everywhere you go.

This is where we are, that like the good is bad? Yeah, yeah, that's where we are. Tim, is it schadenfreude or is it that you think that there's something salutary about the pain that will lead to healing?

This is where we are, that like the good is bad? Yeah, yeah, that's where we are. Tim, is it schadenfreude or is it that you think that there's something salutary about the pain that will lead to healing?

This is where we are, that like the good is bad? Yeah, yeah, that's where we are. Tim, is it schadenfreude or is it that you think that there's something salutary about the pain that will lead to healing?

Well, I don't know. It's a little bit of the tree falls in the forest problem. If you and I are right, objectively, that this is insane and destructive, but the Republicans keep winning elections doing it.

Well, I don't know. It's a little bit of the tree falls in the forest problem. If you and I are right, objectively, that this is insane and destructive, but the Republicans keep winning elections doing it.

Well, I don't know. It's a little bit of the tree falls in the forest problem. If you and I are right, objectively, that this is insane and destructive, but the Republicans keep winning elections doing it.

What consolation is there in that?

What consolation is there in that?

What consolation is there in that?

Yeah, I don't know about this. First of all, on the perception versus reality thing. Look, look, one, you know, at some point, reality only matters if it intrudes. And, you know, we went through this election where the reality was Trump was an idiot and he was going to do all this damage. And he created a perception that, I mean, you saw the polls. People believed he was a good president.

Yeah, I don't know about this. First of all, on the perception versus reality thing. Look, look, one, you know, at some point, reality only matters if it intrudes. And, you know, we went through this election where the reality was Trump was an idiot and he was going to do all this damage. And he created a perception that, I mean, you saw the polls. People believed he was a good president.

Yeah, I don't know about this. First of all, on the perception versus reality thing. Look, look, one, you know, at some point, reality only matters if it intrudes. And, you know, we went through this election where the reality was Trump was an idiot and he was going to do all this damage. And he created a perception that, I mean, you saw the polls. People believed he was a good president.

Like after COVID, after all that craziness.

Like after COVID, after all that craziness.

Like after COVID, after all that craziness.

If that's the perception and they keep, you know, that then the Republicans keep getting to implement the crazy policies. I will say I. I do think and I know you and Scott are going to talk about the tariffs, but it is a good thing that very early in this process, among the stupid things that he was going to do and is doing, he's doing one that's going to hurt a lot of people quickly.

If that's the perception and they keep, you know, that then the Republicans keep getting to implement the crazy policies. I will say I. I do think and I know you and Scott are going to talk about the tariffs, but it is a good thing that very early in this process, among the stupid things that he was going to do and is doing, he's doing one that's going to hurt a lot of people quickly.