Will Saletan

Yeah, absolutely. So let me just sort of sketch. I know you and Scott are going to do the economics of this. Just want to do the geopolitics at this. There's the NATO threatening to pull out of NATO, which is, you know, I'm abandoning Article 5. I won't defend you. There's the EU. Trump just said twice in the last like three days. He said, am I going to impose tariffs on the European Union?

Absolutely. He said that twice. They also are threatening, of course, Panama and Greenland. Trump said twice in the last two days, we're going to take it back, referring to the Panama Canal. We're going to take it back, okay? Greenland, lots of threats to Greenland. We're picking a war with Denmark, of all things. J.D.

Absolutely. He said that twice. They also are threatening, of course, Panama and Greenland. Trump said twice in the last two days, we're going to take it back, referring to the Panama Canal. We're going to take it back, okay? Greenland, lots of threats to Greenland. We're picking a war with Denmark, of all things. J.D.

Absolutely. He said that twice. They also are threatening, of course, Panama and Greenland. Trump said twice in the last two days, we're going to take it back, referring to the Panama Canal. We're going to take it back, okay? Greenland, lots of threats to Greenland. We're picking a war with Denmark, of all things. J.D.

Vance was on TV on Sunday saying that we're going to take more of a territorial interest in Greenland, a territorial interest. Basically, what we have is America first, Trump, Vance means that we are going to target all of our enemies. We're going to pick fights with all of our enemies. Remember, Trump said his whole shtick during the campaign was the other side Democrats are warmongers.

Vance was on TV on Sunday saying that we're going to take more of a territorial interest in Greenland, a territorial interest. Basically, what we have is America first, Trump, Vance means that we are going to target all of our enemies. We're going to pick fights with all of our enemies. Remember, Trump said his whole shtick during the campaign was the other side Democrats are warmongers.

Vance was on TV on Sunday saying that we're going to take more of a territorial interest in Greenland, a territorial interest. Basically, what we have is America first, Trump, Vance means that we are going to target all of our enemies. We're going to pick fights with all of our enemies. Remember, Trump said his whole shtick during the campaign was the other side Democrats are warmongers.

There were no wars. He said at every campaign stop. I never started a war. He's starting a war with our allies. It's an economic war in which you, Mr. and Mrs. America, are the soldiers because you're going to pay at the grocery store and you're going to pay when you buy appliances and cars. He's starting wars for no reason. He chose these wars.

There were no wars. He said at every campaign stop. I never started a war. He's starting a war with our allies. It's an economic war in which you, Mr. and Mrs. America, are the soldiers because you're going to pay at the grocery store and you're going to pay when you buy appliances and cars. He's starting wars for no reason. He chose these wars.

There were no wars. He said at every campaign stop. I never started a war. He's starting a war with our allies. It's an economic war in which you, Mr. and Mrs. America, are the soldiers because you're going to pay at the grocery store and you're going to pay when you buy appliances and cars. He's starting wars for no reason. He chose these wars.

And it's part of, you know, when I talk about Trump being a fascist or this being a fascist movement, people think, OK, that's extreme language. You know, let's not compare him to the Nazis and stuff like that. And, you know, look, we have we don't have people. in, you know, murder camps at this point. But part of fascism is ethnic demagoguery, ethnic scapegoating.

And it's part of, you know, when I talk about Trump being a fascist or this being a fascist movement, people think, OK, that's extreme language. You know, let's not compare him to the Nazis and stuff like that. And, you know, look, we have we don't have people. in, you know, murder camps at this point. But part of fascism is ethnic demagoguery, ethnic scapegoating.

And it's part of, you know, when I talk about Trump being a fascist or this being a fascist movement, people think, OK, that's extreme language. You know, let's not compare him to the Nazis and stuff like that. And, you know, look, we have we don't have people. in, you know, murder camps at this point. But part of fascism is ethnic demagoguery, ethnic scapegoating.

And that we're seeing lots of that already in the first couple of weeks of this administration. You mentioned Darren Beatty got fired before, you know, being a white supremacist, being friends with white supremacists, preaching that stuff. Yeah. That used to be too politically toxic for Trump. He thinks that's an advantage now. They're selling that now.

And that we're seeing lots of that already in the first couple of weeks of this administration. You mentioned Darren Beatty got fired before, you know, being a white supremacist, being friends with white supremacists, preaching that stuff. Yeah. That used to be too politically toxic for Trump. He thinks that's an advantage now. They're selling that now.

And that we're seeing lots of that already in the first couple of weeks of this administration. You mentioned Darren Beatty got fired before, you know, being a white supremacist, being friends with white supremacists, preaching that stuff. Yeah. That used to be too politically toxic for Trump. He thinks that's an advantage now. They're selling that now.

And Tim, a little bit back to your point about politics. It's still amazing to me that in the 2024 election, Trump got, I believe in the vote cast survey, he got 16% of the black vote and he got 43% of the Latino vote. And a lot of white liberals said, what the hell? I mean, how can you vote for someone who's so overtly bigoted?

And Tim, a little bit back to your point about politics. It's still amazing to me that in the 2024 election, Trump got, I believe in the vote cast survey, he got 16% of the black vote and he got 43% of the Latino vote. And a lot of white liberals said, what the hell? I mean, how can you vote for someone who's so overtly bigoted?

And Tim, a little bit back to your point about politics. It's still amazing to me that in the 2024 election, Trump got, I believe in the vote cast survey, he got 16% of the black vote and he got 43% of the Latino vote. And a lot of white liberals said, what the hell? I mean, how can you vote for someone who's so overtly bigoted?

And I would like to believe that at some point this will register and those numbers will start to return to recognizing that Donald Trump and his party are enemies of, threats to, insulters of, degraders of minority communities. I mean, this guy has an amazing history.