Will Sommer

So people who they really love the Latin mass.

Typically, these are converts, you know, like JD Vance, who see the Catholic Church as sort of a I don't know if they see the kind of like the the non denominational evangelical thing is a little like D class A for them.

and they want sort of a more elevated version of those kind of hard right religious values.

And there's also been a rise of even Greek or Russian Orthodox converts in the United States who were very political and right wing.

Elijah Schaeffer, for example, I believe he wears an Orthodox cross.

I believe he's an Orthodox convert.

So it's all these kind of different identities people are trying on.

I should say, you know, Sarah Stock only converted to Catholicism, I think, like less than a year ago and had become this kind of big, oh, you know, I'm back, you know, I'm going to live like it's the Middle Ages kind of person.

And so often I think particularly with these media personalities, I think it's like they're kind of trying on different garbs for content, essentially.

You know, I'm not totally sure, but I mean, there are a lot.

I mean, Candace Owens, for example, is a Catholic convert.

I mean, she's in the course.

They've had this kind of fight because where she says Charlie Kirk wanted to convert to Catholicism, he was on the verge of it.

And then the Turning Point USA people and these evangelical pastors who think they're going to lead this sort of a resurgence or revival because of Charlie Kirk.

They're saying, you know, no, he wasn't Catholic.

So, I mean, there is all this religious stuff mixed into it.

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