Will Stoddard

But basically, Luke, it was Nean Arbor who clearly, like Leo, clearly a guy hurting from the criticism.

Sometimes you might think that guys in his position who've won World Cups who are operating at a high level, they don't really pay attention to what's written about them or what's said about them.

But you can clearly tell with the back and forth with Rudd, he's been really put out by the criticism of him and he really wanted to have his say and have a back and forth on it.

Leo wasn't in that description because he says, I don't tell Tyler how to run the attack.

I don't tell Rob McBride.

That's what I'm referring to, yeah.

But he doesn't mention Leo at all in those discussions, which I thought was interesting.

Jonathan, what jumped out to you?

I did think it was a fascinating back and forth.

And Rudd was telling me that, like, when you read the quotes, it sounds like,

you're calling me shit.

I'm not shit.

But apparently like Rudd said, it was, it was like the back and forth was in a much more conversational way than like when you just read the quotes on their own.

You're obviously just putting your own, like you don't even, you're kind of almost like projecting how you feel it might've played out.

But I thought there was some really interesting stuff in it.

Like the stuff about like, you know, to see, you know, how do someone end up leaving?

It's basically, he's almost saying like, oh, if I end up leaving, it's because of the media and the backlash and,

rather than like my performance or how the team has performed, which is an interesting narrative.

No doubt that pressure does, or like coverage does influence people for sure.

But there's also how the team performs is pretty important as well.