William Durnpole

But how did the English behave to the actual native inhabitants whose island they had taken for their king?

Is Russell going to be playing the role of Nathaniel in this?

Arnie could play the Dutch captain and we'll have Russell as Nat with his nuts.

So we saw that the Brits were pretty ghastly to the Bandonese, but you already flagged that the Dutch are worse.

What happens now that the Dutch have got complete control and run?

of the island the rest are either executed they're sold into slavery uh they're shipped off to jakarta bantam and jakarta in java some end up in south africa don't they i've got a memory of i've met somebody who said that they were um their family were originally from the bander islands and that they were part of the shipment that got sent off to the cape

Yeah, for a cheery chap, Giles, you choose your genocide.

We've had you first on with Smyrna when the whole population of Smyrna got wiped out.

Now we're wiping out various other.

We've finished with the Banderites.

Take us to Amboina.

Yeah.

And became very famous at the time.

I mean, we've forgotten it today, but it was a kind of horror story in London and was long remembered this, wasn't it?

That was originally a Portuguese torture, I believe.

It was used by the Inquisition, first of all, in Goa.

No one particularly wants India at this point.

And we always talk about the East India Company today.

But it's originally the company of London merchants trading with the East Indies, which means not India, but Indonesia in our modern terms.

India simply isn't in the game plan at all for the East India Company until they get thrown out by the...