Winston Weinberg

And to do that, the security and permissioning that you needed in place for both is astronomically high.

So we were working on this like a

very, very long time.

We were going in for like six months to almost a year.

We just did all the permissioning and all of that stuff first before you do kind of the UI and on top.

I think that if you are number two in the market, one of the things that can get you a lot of attention is just attaching yourself to number one in any way, shape or form, right?

You kind of get free press from doing that type of thing.

It's a good way to basically jump onto the distribution that the other front has.

Do you respect them?

Yeah, yeah.

It's war.

Love him.

I mean, I definitely respect them.

And I think like one of the things that they did really well is I think they did a great job in Europe.

And, you know, this is back in 2023.

We're not that I think they're like six months after us or something.

It's not that big of a gap.

And I think like one of the things that I would have done differently in the beginning is just invest like more in Europe in like 2023.

And actually we a lot of our first customers were in Europe.

But having folks on the ground here is just really, really important and respecting kind of like the different cultures and how to productionize that and all of those things.