Yannis Antonoglou

So I don't see why we cannot have frontier models, open models here in the US.

Of course, there are other things, right?

If you had two models, one closed and one open, that are equally capable, I think most people would just choose the open one because it gives you more flexibility, transparency.

You can just make it more secure or safe by just ensuring where it runs, how it uses your resources, what kind of resources you give it access to.

So I think it's like...

Give abilities, extremely important, but like all else being equal, open wins every day.

So, yeah, I mean, I think it's like ultimately what you need, you know, just like build a frontier model.

It's two things.

One is talent and the other one is like resources.

And, you know, in terms of like resources, you need to have like, you know, the...

Do you need to have like the money?

You need to actually like stay at the, to have like access to all the resources that you need.

In terms of talent, you need to just like have an inspiring kind of like mission, like something that like people really want to work on.

I think that our mission of open intelligence has really been resonated with scientists and this is why I think we have been so successful at attracting some of the best talent in the industry.

Yeah, I agree.

Yeah, I mean, I guess like...

One thing that, I mean, first of all, I want to just like, you know, pause here and just like say that coding agents have had, like the progress that we've seen in terms of capabilities over the past two years has been incredible.

I think like every six months, you just like, you know, use your best kind of like coding agent tool and you just like get a completely, you're like...

you're mind blown.

I feel like maybe we've grown like to, uh, I think that maybe now we're like too desensitized, like, you know, a new world comes out, it does like incredible things and you're like, yeah, but like, does it go on its own?