Yoshua Bengio

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80,000 Hours Podcast · #243 – 'Godfather of AI' Yoshua Bengio: "I now see a path" to safe superintelligent AI · 7 May 2026 podcast

If you have 10 governments working together and no one can really have complete power, then even if there is a bad apple, the collective decision-making is more likely to be robust to this sort of event.

So these kinds of coalitions,

would be interested in developing AI that can leapfrog the current methods and provide safety, because safety is a public good.

And in fact, in the case of AI, it is a global public good, right?

It's not just something we can solve locally in each country.

So you need to make sure the contract between those countries is clear on the mission and the commitment that the countries are making.

And ideally...

this would start with democratic countries that agree on the value of doing things for the public good, including the benefits of AI, right?

So that it would be robust to one or these becoming, as I said, bad apples, or even at some point,

that circle should grow to the whole world, including non-democratic countries.

But you want to be able to set the rules of the game in a way similar to what were the hopes of those who designed the UN, for example, after the Second World War, with the kind of general principles of human rights and sharing the power, basically, which we've lost, by the way, and maybe has never been effective, as my prime minister, Mark Carney, has been saying.

But that's the only kind of world in which AI isn't going to be turned as an instrument of power or domination, or that we end up with crazy risk-taking because of the competition.

So we need to escape the game theory, like a bad scenario of competition that we are in, and we need to make sure that it doesn't end up in the hands of a single player who can abuse that power.

And I'm not saying that there's a guarantee that this would work, but it's, I think, a good plan to strive towards something like this as a way to achieve global safety and beneficial use of the technology.

And I would add two things to this.

One is...

the safety component of AI systems is probably going to become a more critical piece as the technology continues to move forward.

And so the countries that have access to technology that provides greater reliability

Might actually be able to deploy it more.

Also, they would have a card to trade at the international level in some ways.

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